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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011 Al-Jazeera is reporting Mubarak and his family are on their way to the United Arab Emirates. He's lucky he was able to leave Cairo on his own two feet. I was waiting for the protesters to run him out on a rail! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 08:34:23 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. Yes, now the Islamists can take over the country. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:41:55 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. Mubarak Has Left Cairo, a Western Official Saysis what the NYT reports. This way they don't go out on a limb by stating it as fact. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:47:07 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:41:55 2011. AJ is citing 'multiple sources' for its report that Mubarak has left Egypt for the UAE. |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 08:50:52 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. If only that were true...Eight minutes in to the CBS World News Roundup this morning, which I was streaming via WTOP's online stream, they announced that there were reports that Mubarak had fled to Sharm el-Shiekh. This was stated again by the WTOP anchors at 20 past 8 (12 minutes after it was aired via the CBS Radio Network) and again via a CBS report at the bottom of the hour. Haaretz is reporting that Al Arabiya television confirmed that Mubarak is now in Sharm el-Sheikh, and a search on Google shows many other newspapers, TV news channels, and sources reporting the same thing. OTOH, I can't find a single one that says he is in the UAE. Considering his defiant speech last night, why would you believe a report that he fled the country? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 08:51:51 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:47:07 2011. They seem to be the only ones reporting that. Everyone else has him in Sharm, which makes far more sense in light of his speech last night. |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:54:54 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 08:50:52 2011. AJ is reporting Mubarak is en route to the UAE at this hour. Why are yoiu unwilling to believe them? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:55:20 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:47:07 2011. You're putting all your eggs in one basket...again. Careful.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:58:31 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:54:54 2011. Single source = skepticism. It's only a scoop if others also report it, but later.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 09:00:25 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:55:20 2011. For some reason, he wants to see the Islamics take over. Then they can have a regime like other Islamic countries where they bury gays in the ground up to their heads and stone them to death, cut off people's hands for theft, and kill women just for the hell of it. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 09:02:56 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:55:20 2011. More eggs for my basket are here, here, and here. All of these reports mention Dubai or UAE as a Mubarak destination. I'm not going to go too far out on a limb and rigidly say that's Mubarak's destination, but it is increasingly clear he is not in Cairo, and as more and more news agencies report in, I'm willing to say we might just find him in Dubai a few hours from now. |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:05:44 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:58:31 2011. Exactly. There is one source saying UAE, everyone else is saying Sharm. Couple that with the fact it doesn't make much sense for a leader under such pressure to leave his post to leave the country if he intends to stay in power, as Mubarak's speech last night suggested he wanted to do. I'm signing off for Shabbat in a few minutes but if I were a betting man, I'd bet Mubarak is still in Egypt when I next sign online in 26 hours or so. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 09:05:45 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 09:00:25 2011. Oh is that all? I was wondering what the fuss was all about.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 09:08:13 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:05:44 2011. News is unfolding by the minute and it's silly to hang one's hat on any single item right now. To say the situation is volatile is an understatement. I'm saying this mostly to you, JayZee.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 11 09:08:28 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:05:44 2011. As we say here in Texas, have a rootin', tootin' guten Shabbos! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:10:21 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 09:00:25 2011. Charles Krauthammer wrote an excellent column (as always) in today's Washington Post about the critical difference between a Freedom Agenda and Freedom Doctrine, and arguing that the US only wants the latter. I would agree with him. Many people would benefit from reading this column. You can do so here. |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:10:59 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by Dave on Fri Feb 11 09:08:28 2011. LOL, thanks! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:13:13 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 09:02:56 2011. We could also find him in Europe based on reports from earlier in the week. This post is far better than you first one, where you declare definitively he is on his way to Dubai. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 09:17:54 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 09:02:56 2011. As of quarter after 9 this morning, this is what the NYT says:Mubarak Reportedly Leaves Cairo Signs Grow of Full Transfer of Power That's succinct and prudent. your pal, Fred |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 09:21:40 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by Dave on Fri Feb 11 09:08:28 2011. Haha, there's stuff I like about Texas and that's one example.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 11 09:22:38 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 08:55:20 2011. You're putting all your eggs in one basket...again. Careful. Exactly. I similarly told him to be careful with his facts when he posted that South Ferry was the only early IRT station not to be extended and he ignored me to try to spite me and it bit him in the ass big time. And he has not yet acknowledged that I was right, that I tried to help him, that he should have listened to me, that I know what I'm talking about, and that he acts like an ass. Take Pride,
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Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 11 09:25:17 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 11 09:22:38 2011. Brian, no one is slinging personal attacks like you just did. Think before you start typing, okay? Please don't turn this thread into another flame-fest. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:41:35 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 11 09:25:17 2011. IAWTP. Hopefully people will ignore it instead of taking the bait. The same point could have been made in a far more civil manner. |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 11 10:00:33 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop! (From Cairo to Sharm el-Sheikh), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:05:44 2011. Good Shabbos. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 11 10:12:23 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 08:34:23 2011. Yes, now the Islamists can take over the country.It's funny; we want to spread democracy around the world, but we don't want to accept it when the people democratically elect a leader who doesn't like us. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 11 10:16:30 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 09:02:56 2011. We'll see. As usual those links don't claim quite what you say that they do. They mention UAE as a potential destination, not the only one. They say that he may be in Sharm el-Sheikh, he may be headed to UAE, he may be headed to Annan, or he may be headed to an "unknown" destination. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 10:20:29 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 11 10:12:23 2011. Read Oren's link on the Truman Doctrine somewhere here. It's a good observation. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 11 10:47:19 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:41:35 2011. He did call Terrapin out in another thread earlier this week and even had his handle in the thread title. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 11 10:52:16 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 11 10:47:19 2011. He did call Terrapin out in another thread earlier this week and even had his handle in the thread title. Thank you for pointing that out, Easy. Take Pride,
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Feb 11 11:07:30 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. Let the good times begin! Oh yeah, heh:)
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Re: Mubarak Resigns and This Guy Becomes the Next Antoine Friggin Youtube |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 11:58:14 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. Pedro Ugarte, AFP / Getty Images You'll see...I've already seen his mug in 4 spots. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Feb 11 12:08:52 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. very happy for the egyptian people, hope things turn out further in their favor!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 11 12:21:35 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. A tragedy. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 11 12:22:21 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. Subject line corrected. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 11 12:30:00 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:10:21 2011. While the column was OK, he conveniently left out the fact that we supported Egypt-like dictatorships in Greece, Turkey, Portugal and Spain when "democracy" risked bringing the bad guys to power. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 12:56:26 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 11 12:30:00 2011. He forgets to mention that US policy was "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and in turn forgets to mention people like Marcos, Franco, Noriega, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein who weren't the democratic factions in their respective countries but enjoyed US support. He doesn't mention that containing Communism was highly costly in terms of blood and money (Vietnam for one example); that doesn't make it wrong by any means but we should be aware of what it costs to make containment of Islamists a full time job so to speak.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Fri Feb 11 14:20:28 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:10:21 2011. We are, unwillingly again, parties to a long twilight struggle, this time with Islamism - most notably Iran, its proxies and its potential allies, Sunni and Shiite. We should be clear-eyed about our preferred outcome - real democracies governed by committed democrats - and develop policies to see this through.It's one thing for Charles Krauthammer to express a preferred outcome, but quite another to say how to achieve such an outcome. Pursuit of the "freedom agenda" runs the risk of extremist Islamist theocracies coming to power. The Muslim Brotherhood claims to be opposed to Islamic extremism, but can it be trusted? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_brotherhood: "In the group's belief, the Quran and Sunnah constitute a perfect way of life and social and political organization that God has set out for man. Islamic governments must be based on this system and eventually unified in a Caliphate. The Muslim Brotherhood's goal, as stated by Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna was to reclaim Islam’s manifest destiny, an empire, stretching from Spain to Indonesia." George W. Bush's "freedom agenda" didn't work out too well in Iraq, or anywhere else so far as I know. In the case of Egypt, pursuit of the freedom agenda could result in the Muslim Brotherhood forming an Islamic Republic of Egypt. The alternative is to support the corrupt and dictatorial Mubarak regime, which is the policy of most of Egypt's neighbors, including Israel. |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Fri Feb 11 14:34:05 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:10:21 2011. See also http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/Jeane+Kirkpatrick+lessons+realpolitik/4256321/story.html. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Feb 11 14:39:01 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 11 09:10:21 2011. Krauthammer needs to brush up on his history. He confused the Marshall Plan with the Truman Doctrine. He also neglected to mention that there was a moslem, democratic, secular, government and the US overthrew it. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 11 15:21:53 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 10:20:29 2011. Yes. FBOFW, A new Egypt begins today. All we can do at this point is hope for the best. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 15:34:12 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 11 10:12:23 2011. We only want to manage people to keep them on our side but don't really support democracy. The problem is that if they people hate their leader and you support him, you'll be hated as well.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 11 16:18:40 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 15:34:12 2011. Yes, there's a delicate balance between going too far in one direction (supporting the Shah to such an extent that when he is dumped you're hated) and going too far in the other direction (invading Iraq to overthrow a vicious bastard who wasn't actually doing much harm to our interests).Let's hope Obama is better than most of his predecessors at managing that balance. Supposed true story. The King of Saudi Arabia tells Jimmy Carter that the Shah is impotent, putting the accent on "po" as in Edgar Allan Poe. Carter replies, yes he's very im-PO-tent, meaning important. |
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Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:19:49 2011, in response to Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 11 08:25:42 2011. I was waiting for the protesters to run him out on a railDid you see all the celebrations in Iran? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:20:47 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by David Fairthorne on Fri Feb 11 14:20:28 2011. You're citing Wikipedia as an authority again. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 16:22:56 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 11 16:18:40 2011. Supposed true story. The King of Saudi Arabia tells Jimmy Carter that the Shah is impotent, putting the accent on "po" as in Edgar Allan Poe. Carter replies, yes he's very im-PO-tent, meaning important.Haha, there are several barroom jokes like that. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:25:43 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 15:34:12 2011. The problem is that if they people hate their leader and you support him, you'll be hated as wellEven if we loved Ahmadinejad, the Iranians will still be chanting "Death to America". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:27:12 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 11 10:12:23 2011. we want to spread democracy around the worldNo, we want to spread freedom around the world. Setting up a democratic process just to allow fools to vote their freedom away is not conducive to that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:27:34 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 11 08:34:23 2011. Truth. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 16:34:24 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop . . ., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:25:43 2011. That's because they hated the Shah.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 11 16:36:00 2011, in response to Re: Mubarak Flies The Coop . . ., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 11 16:27:12 2011. So how does freedom without democracy work?your pal, Fred |
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