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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 01:44:19 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 01:40:34 2010. some of the feuds here have been going on forever.Selkirk vs. Olog Salaam vs. Mr Mabstoa Dan Lawrence vs. Terrapin |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 01:45:49 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 01:39:42 2010. Of course Bush knew the Saudi's would do something. We could've shot at least the second plane over NY Harbor. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 01:46:14 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 01:44:19 2010. Some of them have ended more or less.Salaam vs Train Dude Salaam vs Subwaysurf That's it I guess. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 01:47:12 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 01:43:09 2010. I guess I came in too many seasons ago. I find him about as amusing as the mabstoa/salaam bouts ... I change the channel when I see "coming up next ..." :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 01:48:02 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 01:44:19 2010. Well ... as far as Olog goes, I poke him in the eye and run. Not much arguing there. :) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:48:17 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 01:34:14 2010. I don't think it's under wraps. Memos show he was warned.9-11 was a Godsend for the Texan to get us into a war. There were warnings about a lot of things. Hindsight is always 20/20. A federal judge named James Oakes speculated in the 1970s that terrorists could hijack a plane and collide it with buildings to make it become, in eerily familiar language, a 'weapon of mass destruction'. So it was certainly within the realm of possibility. But you can't prepare for every possible threat. Was attention biased too heavily towards NBC threats? Definitely. But none of this is to say George W. Bush & co. participated in a conspiracy to murder thousands of Americans. As you know, I was opposed to the war in Iraq and the half-assed way in which we prosecuted the war in Afghanistan (for a government that spares no expense in so many things, Donald Rumsfeld makes it a top priority to catch al Qeada on the cheap...). Although I disagreed strongly with the policy, I don't doubt that the nation's leaders were doing what they thought was the right thing, even if they made up a bullshit story to go along with it; they were simply wrong, not traitorous. So in conclusion, yes, I find the truther position to be crackpot. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 01:50:43 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:48:17 2010. FWIW, there was also the Algerian Eiffel Tower number and curiously on the very DAY of 9/11, an Air Force exercise of guess what? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 01:53:00 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 01:47:12 2010. The Mabstoa/Salaam bouts are about as interesting as watching dust gather on my desk. I've tuned them out at least a year ago, if not more.The BEST flame war though was between TruckerJohnT and Jonesy! on BusChat. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 01:54:42 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:08:57 2010. Well you still offer no proff. You don't know Obama's grades nor his SAT score. You might be right about him, but maybe you're not. When you saw a black person in law school did you assume that they didn't really belong there? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 01:58:39 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 01:53:00 2010. Yeah, heard about that. Don't do diesels unless they're 18 cylinder numbers on rails. That room always seemed to have craters and scorch marks anyway. Heh. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 01:58:47 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 01:53:00 2010. I used to think that the flame wars were interesting, but they got old for me after a few years. Jonesy/PA Transit or whatever he was here was just a kid but he was a contributor here and then was evidently banned over that flame war. Now he's not here. I don't see that as a good thing.Salaam and Mabstoa ruin lots of threads. Salaam is very cool in person and Mabstoa is probably the same. But on here they often just get in the way of more interesting discussion with their bickering. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 02:01:17 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 2 20:47:29 2010. No wonder everyone in school hated you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 02:05:08 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:15:46 2010. He's a truther? And all I did was call him an idiot. I shouldn't give idiots a bad name. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:06:42 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 02:01:17 2010. It's really not surprising is it? Not only does he have bizarre political opinions but he disowns people that exercise their own - likely more rational - opinions. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:07:55 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:06:42 2010. Name one bizarre political opinion. One. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:10:09 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:07:55 2010. That white people should vote against Obama because blacks support him. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:13:55 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:10:09 2010. Big deal. I'd say the same if Hillary ran for President. I'd say men should vote as a block b/c women would be too. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:20:39 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:13:55 2010. Having a problem with women doesn't make having a problem with Africans acceptable. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:26:33 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:20:39 2010. It's not a problem with either. I feel that if one group is voting based on race or sex, others should too. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:30:46 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:26:33 2010. But you already do. You're just rationalizing it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:32:51 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 02:30:46 2010. No. You're applying a double standard.I don't have a problem with Africans. I have nothing bad to say about them. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 02:38:29 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:32:51 2010. Your logic escapes me. Maybe it's too advanced for my feeble mind. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 02:39:48 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 02:38:29 2010. LOL! You mean it's too feeble for your advanced mind (at least compared to LurchKKK). |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 02:41:08 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 02:39:48 2010. I don't know. Maybe in his mind it makes perfect sense. I just can't seem to make sense of it all. As it's over my head, the only logical conclusion is that Luch has a higher ability to reason and think than I do. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:44:44 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 02:41:08 2010. Easy is applying logic. He's saying that if white males vote based on sex or skin color, they are racist. It's ok for all others to do so based on past wrongs. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 02:47:25 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:44:44 2010. That's ridiculous. So, he's saying that you (or myself had I voted for McCain) was racist for voting for McCain over Obama. I vote based upon whom I feel the best candidate is. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the candidate's ethnicity, gender, age, or anything else.Sure, some people do vote based upon those things; but then again, some people are stupid. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 3 04:56:32 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 02:47:25 2010. Actually ... there was something QUITE psychological about McCain's campaign and what it all meant. :) I *finally* get it! And with Michael Steele reminding us all of the soup guy on Sesame Street ... it ALL makes sense now!  My job here is done ... heh. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:42:12 2010, in response to Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a "War of Obama's Choosing", posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 2 16:26:48 2010. What an idiot. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:45:18 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 01:25:38 2010. Unfortunately both parties share that unfortunate truth. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:46:57 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 2 19:06:02 2010. Barack Hussein Obama and Bill Clinton were in W. Va today forgiving and justifying Byrd being a part of the KKK.It's really unbelievable. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:48:33 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 2 20:15:52 2010. That's an excuse used to deny that many people only voted for Obama because he was Black (or 1/2 black to be accurate). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:49:43 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Fri Jul 2 20:42:38 2010. Obama was basically handed the presidency because of affirmative action. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:50:30 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Fri Jul 2 20:52:40 2010. So you voted for Obama because he was black.He couldn't possibly be for his experience or leadership ability, neither of which he has. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jul 3 07:50:39 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:45:18 2010. Wrong. Only the Republican Party has CRIMINAL lunatics. They need to be jailed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:51:04 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 2 20:47:29 2010. Who cares though who your friends and relatives voted for? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:54:49 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:44:44 2010. It's wrong when either does it. But many who criticize whites for doing it (and whites basically put Obama in the white house, as he couldn't have done it without them), they don't seem to think it's bad when Blacks do the same thing. Most blacks blindly accept Obama no matter what he does. He still has about 91% approval rating among Blacks.....and in 2008 he had about 91% approval rating among Blacks.And his overall approval rating has dipped way down, but that doesn't correspond back to the Black approval rating. If approval rating went down proportionally, and they weren't basing it on race, the Black support should have gone down too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:56:14 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 2 23:44:41 2010. Wow, that was a great post. We agree! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 07:57:04 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 2 23:49:56 2010. Hillary had a lot more ability than Obama does. We would have been much better off today had Hillary been in the White House. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 08:01:48 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 00:20:07 2010. More non-black people voted for Obama than black, yet blacks that supported him are racist?No, Whites voted for him for various reasons: -some out of a sense of obligation (I know one rabid leftist who I asked, "Why do you think Obama would be good as president", and he said "I think it would be wonderful if a black man became president" (so he voted based on race - although also would have voted for any Democrat). -Leftists can only be partisan, and could never vote for any non Democrat -People angry about the Bush administration, and voted against Republican. The Black vote came in at over 90% and the approval rating today is still over 90%. That shows that most Blacks only blindly accept him because he's Black. Obama's approval rating has fallen even among non-Black Democrats, and Independents....yet that fall doesn't correspond to the Black approval rating, which is just as high as when he took office. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 08:05:32 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:08:57 2010. Correct. It's actually the same reason that Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize after being in office less than a month. The integrity of that prize is gone for ever because of that absurd occurrence. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 08:05:51 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:08:57 2010. Correct. It's actually the same reason that Obama received the NOMINATION for the Nobel Peace Prize after being in office less than a month. The integrity of that prize is gone for ever because of that absurd occurrence. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 08:08:10 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jul 3 07:50:39 2010. Got the blinders on. There's plenty of CRIMINALS on both sides of the aisle. Most politicians suck, and I don't care what party they are. Some of the biggest criminals are currently in administration. (That in no way absolves the criminals that left). |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 08:23:50 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 08:05:32 2010. That always bothered me. The guy did NOTHING to deserve that award. Part of me believes that he shouldn't have accepted it. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 3 08:36:58 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 01:08:57 2010. I seriously beg to differ with your assertion that Obama (and Thomas) are "beneficiaries of affirmative action". Even if their race was factored into a decision to admit them to schools like Harvard and Yale, they still need the GRADES to stay there. No college or university is going to retain anyone--of any race--if they don't perform, and I think it's dubious to say Harvard or Yale is admitting students solely based on "affirmative action". There are so many people of color out there, with the academic chops to make the grade at these schools.Chicago isn't in the habit of handing out Lecturer appointments, so I'm sure there was something in Obama's curriculum vitae that neither you nor I are privy to. It is, IMHO, highly presumptuous to suggest Obama was admitted to, attended, or taught at, any of these schools based on anything other than merit. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 3 09:55:28 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 01:20:27 2010. IAWTP. In addition, Obama was elected to Harvard Law Review. There's no affirmative action there. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 3 10:05:16 2010, in response to Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a "War of Obama's Choosing", posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 2 16:26:48 2010. I'm confused. You've been watching the bauchi bazi too much. No one knows why we're in this quagmire that Obama diddles around on. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 10:12:33 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 3 08:05:32 2010. I see. Anything that Obama accomplished had to be because of affirmative action....learning a lot about you and trainsarefun. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 3 10:28:02 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 3 08:36:58 2010. IIRC Thomas has admitted to benefiting from affirmative action. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Jul 3 10:31:09 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jul 3 08:23:50 2010. IAWTP. But when was the last time a politician turned down an honor? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jul 3 10:33:08 2010, in response to Re: Idiot Michael Steele calls Afghan War, a ''War of Obama's Choosing'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 3 08:36:58 2010. I seriously beg to differ with your assertion that Obama (and Thomas) are "beneficiaries of affirmative action". Even if their race was factored into a decision to admit them to schools like Harvard and Yale, they still need the GRADES to stay there.You might beg to differ, but it's easy to stay in once you're in; the hard part is getting in. YLS doesn't even have grades in the a traditional sense, just H/P/F, and most of the class makes the Law Journal or some other review. and I think it's dubious to say Harvard or Yale is admitting students solely based on "affirmative action". There are so many people of color out there, with the academic chops to make the grade at these schools. You are not carefully reading what I wrote and launching into straw men. Affirmative action doesn't in the main help the people most in need of help, the people in sub-par poorer school districts who have potential to do better - it helps more well-to-do people achieve a higher station in life than would have been possible purely through their own efforts. You must likewise have missed the part where I write, Mind you, affirmative action gave President Obama admittance. What he did therafter, although affirmative action admittances are traditionally shown favoritism, was no doubt due in significant part to his own efforts. But without affirmative action getting him that foot in the door, his spot at Columbia, at Harvard, at Chicago, to cultivate his circle of friends and associates, etc, he would never become Senator from Illinois, let alone President. But without admittance to pedigreed institutions, he likely doesn't become President, or, to quote his gaffe-prone Vice President speaking from the gut, 'a clean, black man' running for that office. Even if he were just as smart as he is, but graduated from Ohio State, that's not the entree to fundraising friends and tacit poster-childness for socail welfare programs like affirmative action. Back to Clarence Thomas, do you actually believe that he was most qualified person to sit on the court, or was it the fact that he was someone groomed for the fact of Thurgood Marshall's death, a Black Republican with no respect for stare decisis who only knows the Pol Pot extremism of 'back to year zero'? And what other source do you need other than the man himself on affirmative action? Chicago isn't in the habit of handing out Lecturer appointments, so I'm sure there was something in Obama's curriculum vitae that neither you nor I are privy to. It is, IMHO, highly presumptuous to suggest Obama was admitted to, attended, or taught at, any of these schools based on anything other than merit. You just don't get it. His CV is public, so you can point out to us why he got the job. He didn't get the job just because he's Black; that's the view you've attributed to me and are trying to caricature. He got the job created for him by liberals of a certain stripe eager to increase the diversity of their faculty, and to assist an up-and-coming beneficiary of affirmative action politician. Mind you, he's not the only President to be admitted where he likely wouldn't have made it in on merit alone. Take, e.g., George W. Bush. But why is it okay that I can point out the (non-racial) affirmative action that helped George W. Bush become President and get an 'amen', but you can't face similar truths about Barack Obama and racial-based affirmative action? |
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