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ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:19:48 2010

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Obama finally does something sensible in this travesty of a presidency, and now gets attacked by the leftists.
Obama came to his senses, and proposed to not trial the 911 attackers as civilians, and rightfull is floating back to trialing them militarily, as it should be, and the ACLU takes out this ad of Obama turning to Bush...



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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 21:39:01 2010, in response to ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:19:48 2010.

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Typical American Communist Litigation Union garbage. Make that 90 years of dismantling our constitutional rights, rights that their founder Roger Nash Baldwin hated so much . . .

I have been to Europe several times, mostly in connection with international radical activities…and have traveled in the United States to areas of conflict over workers rights to strike and organize. My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.


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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 21:47:27 2010, in response to ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:19:48 2010.

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Oh dear ... what is the right to do now? Obama apparently isn't as bad as we're being told, and the left is pissed off at him too after he kicked the left wing in the nuts. Ah well ... at least one side is kicking out the loonies. :)

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:49:28 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 21:47:27 2010.

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Obama does about one thing right.... The list of crap he has done is about 100 times longer. 1 for 100....great going obama!

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 21:54:40 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:49:28 2010.

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Heh. OK ... so maybe he should just say NO to everything and everybody and be a success.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 8 22:34:22 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:49:28 2010.

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You claim you are not a right-wing Republican. LOL.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:01:34 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 8 22:34:22 2010.

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Just what makes you dispute his claim? You have no cause implying he's a liar.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 8 23:06:52 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:01:34 2010.

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His position on this matter shows that he is a conservative and not a libertarian.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 23:09:06 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 8 23:06:52 2010.

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I never claimed to be a libertarian.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:11:28 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 8 23:06:52 2010.

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He got accused (left-handed) of being a "right-wing Republican" rather than either conservative or libertarian.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:13:38 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:11:28 2010.

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Yeah Chris is right of center, but still moderate IMO. On subchat we have lots of right wing defenders, but few, if any, real right wingers.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:23:41 2010, in response to ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:19:48 2010.

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ACLU is a JOKE!!!!!! Just look at the guy who now runs it!!!!!!

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 23:33:38 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:13:38 2010.

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Yes, I never denied I am right of center, but that's all it is, right of center. I despise a lot of the right wing extremists too, especially the fanatical religious right. I also believe in some left wing things too, like many environmental issues, zoning restrictions in regard to preservation, right to chose on abortion, etc.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:37:00 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:13:38 2010.

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Exactly. I'm PRO ABORTION!

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:39:47 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:23:41 2010.

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The guy that now runs it . . . ? The ACLU's current president is a woman, Susan Herman.

Remember the guy that founded it?

I have been to Europe several times, mostly in connection with international radical activities…and have traveled in the United States to areas of conflict over workers rights to strike and organize. My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.

— Roger Nash Baldwin, founder of the ACLU


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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:40:56 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:39:47 2010.

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I meant Romero. Now if the liberals want to talk about a "bad joke", he's it.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:41:39 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:37:00 2010.

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Really? Wow!

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:43:02 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 23:33:38 2010.

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Right to choose is not too popular with Catholics in LA.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 8 23:43:29 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:41:39 2010.

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Maybe he saw the billboards about abortion being racist?

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:46:18 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:40:56 2010.

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He's the executive director.

The ACLU never has been any different, so anyone who runs the show is a joke.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:47:00 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:41:39 2010.

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I'm not right-wing at all. I believe gays should be able to get a "civil union" that gives them the same benefits a married couple enjoys, such a joint filing, life insurance, health insurance, etc.......

As far as abortion, I've heard both sides, and feel that the Christian right should understand that there are women and babies at risk unless an abortion is performed.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:48:04 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:43:02 2010.

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Are you sure? Catholics are pretty liberal.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:49:07 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 8 23:43:29 2010.

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I think I posted that story. Billboards in Georgia paid for by conservative blacks.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:53:42 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:49:07 2010.

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You favor abortions for all races, right?

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:55:01 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:48:04 2010.

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When I went to a few masses in LA they would pass out cards that gave the church position on such issues to use as a voting guide. Maybe they don't always vote that way though. But this was mainly a Filipino church.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:55:08 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:53:42 2010.

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Yes.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 23:55:32 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:47:00 2010.

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I'm not right-wing at all. I believe gays should be able to get a "civil union" that gives them the same benefits a married couple enjoys, such a joint filing, life insurance, health insurance, etc.......


I agree.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 9 00:00:33 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:53:42 2010.

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Definitely race baiting..........

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 00:01:07 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 23:55:01 2010.

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Oh. The ethnic groups might be conservative on abortion, but most of the Catholics I know from Queens are head case left wing liberals who hate the Church and are very liberal. Usually Irish Catholic, but some Italians too.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 00:01:44 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:55:08 2010.

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That was just a joke although grounded in reality. Evidently the authors of Freakonomics believe that the drop in crime across the US over the last two decades is due in large part to Roe v. Wade. At least I think that I read that somewhere. I also read a post on Curbed LA where a commenter suggested that LA has half the crime of 20 years ago because LA has lost half of it's black population.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 00:03:13 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 9 00:00:33 2010.

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Yeah so?

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 9 00:10:04 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 00:03:13 2010.

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Just calling it like I see it since you are quick to call others racists.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 00:11:09 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 9 00:10:04 2010.

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I didn't call anyone racist. Not lately anyway. I comment on the post, not the person.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 00:14:42 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 00:01:44 2010.

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There are those in the black community who are trying to make abortion a race issue, instead of a women's issue, but it's not gaining momentum.

Can you imagine if the right-wing came out with statements like, "We want our elected officials to support government funded abortions, or it will devastate the GOP in future elections"? Then you might see the liberals back off the issue. I guess black conservatives see it this way too.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 00:25:36 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 00:14:42 2010.

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Since we're swimming towards the absurd, I highly recommend the movie "Idiocracy." It demonstrates that the best days are ahead for the GOP. :)

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 00:26:51 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 00:25:36 2010.

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Calm down. We're talking about the "Endangered Species" billboards in Georgia.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 9 00:30:04 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 23:55:32 2010.

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No comment.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 00:39:27 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:47:00 2010.

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That makes you sound libertarian.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 00:42:17 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 23:48:04 2010.

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Which Catholics? You'll find the most liberal Catholics in this country, but a lot of them are turning very conservative again due to the new pope's influence.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 00:44:22 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 00:26:51 2010.

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And of course, they're the work of BLACK conservatives. Heh.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 00:47:51 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 00:14:42 2010.

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Then they wouldn't be the right wing, would they?

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 01:02:06 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 00:39:27 2010.

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Just wait for streetcarman1 to wake up from his 11 hour sleep after his meds wear off. Re: ACLU Liken Olog-hai to Bush You know it's coming.



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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 01:09:19 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 00:42:17 2010.

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The Pope has no influence in America. I'll bet you that 9-out-of-10 Catholics in NYC can't tell you his name or anything about him.

The Catholics I know are left-wing loons who enjoy Bill Maher, or complain about meat on Friday's, or whatever. Many are Irish-Catholic, influenced by the left-wing media in NY, or rebel against their conservative upbrining by blue collar parents.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 01:10:27 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 00:42:17 2010.

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The Pope has no influence in America. I'll bet you that 9-out-of-10 Catholics in NYC can't tell you his name or anything about him.

The Catholics I know are left-wing loons who enjoy Bill Maher, or complain about meat on Friday's, or whatever. Many are Irish-Catholic, influenced by the left-wing media in NY, or want to rebel against their conservative upbrining by blue collar parents.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 01:29:41 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 01:02:06 2010.

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Haha . . . yes, it's inevitable. Or something like it. Maybe another Stewie Griffin pic . . .

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 9 01:32:32 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 9 01:10:27 2010.

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The Pope has no influence in America

Oh, that's not true. The thread about the Catholic school in Colorado is a good indicator of the growing influence of the Pope and Catholic conservatism in the US. You ought to see how the current leader of the Catholic League goes on, or the recent content of EWTN as well . . .

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 9 03:12:17 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 23:46:18 2010.

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The State of Alabama disagrees. They put Helen Keller on their quarter and a bust of her to represent their State in the US Capitol's Statuary Hall.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 9 04:56:54 2010, in response to ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:19:48 2010.

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More of the same!

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 9 04:58:11 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 21:47:27 2010.

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Obama is awful, the chasm between Bush's greatness and Obama's awfulness is large enough to have both the right hate him for being too leftist and the left hate him because he's just not as insane as they are.

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Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 9 07:33:35 2010, in response to Re: ACLU Likens Obama to Bush, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 8 22:34:22 2010.

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Hahahahaha. That's the best you can do? What happened to all the leftist propaganda on why this was "such a great idea" to trial this war criminals in civilian court? pages and pages of posts in threads about how people that were against the civil trial and wanted military trial for these war criminals were all anti constitution, anti human rights, etc? But finally, the great leader comes to his senses and is moving towards what many on the right were for in this situation, but now there's not a peep on the subject from his loyal defenders except, "you say you aren't right wing Republican".

LOL.

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