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Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 5 23:33:56 2010 NYT story. I'm a bit surprised that a lawsuit is only being filed now - this has been am open secret for years. Here's the August 2009 real estate profile of the two developments, which apparently motivated the action.Plaintiffs' complaint is here. excerpt: February 6, 2010 2 Bronx Communities Are Accused of Preventing Blacks From Buying Homes By CARA BUCKLEY The people of Edgewater Park have described their home as a Shangri-La, a tightly knit and idyllic community sitting on Long Island Sound in a hidden pocket of the Bronx. But according to a new lawsuit, not everyone is welcome in this version of paradise. On Thursday, the Fair Housing Justice Center, a nonprofit group, sued Edgewater Park, its nearby sister community, Silver Beach Gardens, and one of its former longtime residents, the Realtor Amelia Lewis, claiming racial discrimination. The suit, filed in United States District Court in Manhattan, sprang from an investigation the housing group conducted in September and October 2009, in which a white couple and an African-American couple inquired about buying homes in the communities. Both were “test” couples who worked for the housing group and said they were looking for homes priced below $300,000. Both communities, just north of the Throgs Neck Bridge, are cooperatives; residents own their homes but the land is owned collectively. According to the lawsuit, the white woman was warmly welcomed by Ms. Lewis, and was quickly shown nine available homes in both Edgewater Park and Silver Beach Gardens. The white faux buyer voiced the concern that she did not know anyone who lived there; the cooperatives’ rules say that prospective buyers must submit three recommendation letters from current residents. But Ms. Lewis replied that she would line up the necessary reference letters, adding “they would love you, I can tell,” the suit said. A week and a half later, the African-American couple arrived at Ms. Lewis’s office and was almost immediately asked if they knew three people who lived there. When they said they did not, Ms. Lewis said, “there’s no way you’re going to get in there,” the suit said. Ms. Lewis went on to say that Edgewater Park was “not wonderful for everybody,” the suit said, adding that it was mostly Irish and Italian, “kind of prejudice” and “like Archie Bunker territory.” In the end, it said, Ms. Lewis refused to show the African-American couple any home in either Edgewater Park or Silver Beach Gardens. Three calls made to Ms. Lewis’s office on Friday were not returned, a lawyer for Silver Beach Gardens declined to comment, and two calls to the lawyer for Edgewater Park were not returned. .... The investigation, [plaintiffs' lawyer] said, was prompted by an August article in The New York Times, in which residents said their communities were largely unknown and their streets largely sealed off. Usually it behooves moderately priced communities to get the word out, she said, to drive up demand and prices. “Any time anything’s hidden or secret,” she said, “you have to ask, ‘Why would you want to be hidden?’ ” |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:45:25 2010, in response to Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 5 23:33:56 2010. Lame. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 5 23:48:03 2010, in response to Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 5 23:33:56 2010. Several people here have claimed that this type of discrimination doesn't happen anymore. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 5 23:49:16 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:45:25 2010. Which part? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:51:50 2010, in response to Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 5 23:33:56 2010. "kind of prejudice" and "like Archie Bunker territory". that's lame. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:54:53 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 5 23:49:16 2010. There are white people who want to live in a white neighborhood. There are minorities who want to live in minority neighborhoods. No big deal. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 5 23:58:13 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:54:53 2010. I agree. I think that most white people would prefer to live in white neighborhoods. Fewer blacks and Hispanics have a similar preference for obvious reasons. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:02:57 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 5 23:58:13 2010. In my case, at least I can say I've tried the diversity thing. Most white people probably have not. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 00:09:03 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:02:57 2010. If people like a diverse neighborhood that's great, but if they don't I have no problem with that. I think that's normal. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:18:27 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 00:09:03 2010. Let me tell you something about white people. They'll read an article like this, acted all upset, but they would prefer to live in a mostly white neighborhood if possible. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 00:35:33 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:18:27 2010. Maybe, but on the flip side many whites do prefer diversity. You rarely hear minorities express such a preference. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:43:59 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 00:35:33 2010. I don't think many whites prefer it. I think many have no choice unless they can truly afford to live in an all white environment, or have a job(or no job) that allows them to live far enough from the inner-cities of America. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 00:49:52 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:43:59 2010. I dunno. On the internet many say that they do. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:57:24 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 00:49:52 2010. They're liars. They always say that. Who's really going to admit their prejudices? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 01:11:59 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:57:24 2010. Some people do like diversity, but they are the exception. Most people like to be around people that think and even look like them and perhaps like limited diversity. And it's not all about race. It's culture, status, income, politics, religion,... |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Feb 6 02:16:46 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:51:50 2010. It sounds ridiculous that somebody would actually say that. "Archie Bunker territory"?If so, then that employee may have some racial bias, and should be fired, but that doesn't mean the entire organization or community is racist. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 03:21:56 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Feb 6 02:16:46 2010. Yes. Archie Bunker is a very dated reference, and he never lived in an upscale area.I can think of plenty of white people who would have a hard time getting into a nice area, because they don't look like they fit in. These stories appeal to the NY Times base. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 6 09:36:34 2010, in response to Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 5 23:33:56 2010. Edgewater Park and Throgs Neck in general (save for the projects) seem racist in general with even bus drivers warning me of this, why would a black person want to move there? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 10:41:59 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 03:21:56 2010. Upscale? Based on the prices referenced in the NYT this is not an upscale area. The highest prices in Edgewater are only $375k and $539k in Silver Beach. That's working class and middle class. And Archie Bunker had black neighbors anyway. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 11:47:30 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Feb 6 02:16:46 2010. If so, then that employee may have some racial bias, and should be fired, but that doesn't mean the entire organization or community is racist.Ordinarily, I'd agree, but this has been an open secret for years. I assume that what kept problems from popping up was that nonwhites (and maybe hispanic whites) simply didn't desire to move there, either because they didn't like the developments, or because they didn't know about the developments. Now in many co-ops, income and asset requirements are what keep people out. That's perfectly legal if uniformly enforced. Some/many co-ops add on other requirements, such as not liking the look on someone's face, which is also a perfectly legal ground on which to reject an applicant so long as the reason for not liking the look on an applicant's face is not on account of race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, etc. Other co-ops will not admit applicants who are lawyers, and that's usually rather legal. So essentially, so long as the co-op doesn't violate fair housing laws, they can admit or reject whoever they like. In fact, a co-op is not required to give any rejected applicant reasons why the applicant was rejected. An applicant who feels that he was discriminated against unlawfully can file suit, and then the alleged reasons will come out, and at that stage, the co-op should want to make very sure that it's on the firmest grounds, e.g., income and asset requirements. In this particular case, one really big thing quickens my suspicions about these developments, other than the reports circulating for years. These are super-duper low cost developments, so income and asset requirements are simply not barriers to entry. The barrier here at the co-op level is the 'I don't like the look on your face' reason. Co-ops have relationships with real estate agents who do a lot of work with them. In some corrupt cases, there is even bribery, i.e., members of co-op board will demand to be paid off under the table to even consider an application. Co-ops know that if they're secretly discriminating, 'I don't like the look on your face' isn't a good ground to defend a lawsuit on, especially against a plaintiff who has a respectable job, clean record, and more cash on hand and in the bank than most residents do. So co-ops committed to illegality will act in concert with the agents: don't bring us the kind of people that we will want to reject. The motivation is simple - if the co-op board never has to pass judgment in the first place, they will never be forced to state their reasons. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 11:57:26 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 03:21:56 2010. These developments are hardly upscale. From the NYT August 2009 profile: WHAT YOU’LL PAY The homes in Edgewater Park run the gamut in price from $39,000 for a house that needs a gut renovation, to almost $200,000 for a two-bedroom ranch, to as much as $375,000 for a renovated cottage on the water. Prices in Silver Beach are a little higher, with two-bedrooms starting just below $240,000 and an expanded duplex on a double lot asking $539,000. Brokers estimate that as in much of New York City, prices in both communities are about 20 percent lower than they were a year ago. Maintenance in Edgewater Park is a flat rate of $232 a month; in Silver Beach it depends on the number of shares a homeowner holds, but is about $280. Any work to expand a house or to remodel the exterior must be approved by the co-op board. Parking is allowed on the wider streets; the communities also have free parking lots for residents, and covered garages for which there are long waiting lists. In addition to the three letters of reference required from current residents, each place requires a co-op board interview. Silver Beach has a minimum down payment requirement of $30,000, and Edgewater Park requires $20,000 or 10 percent of a sale price, whichever is higher. Googling, here is a sold unit that was listed at Silver Beach Gardens for $315k at $220/mo maintenance including gas/heat/electric:    If that's upscale, then I live in a mansion. I don't live in a mansion. This listing was put at $249.5k - same monthly maintenance:  This one is apparently the most expensive unit ever sold at either complex, $539k listed:  |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 12:12:53 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 11:57:26 2010. Very working class. Archie Bunker's house was more upscale. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Feb 6 12:35:26 2010, in response to Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Feb 5 23:33:56 2010. "kind of prejudice” and “like Archie Bunker territory.”"Sounds like what happens when an irish or italian person visits the projects. But the story is so vague it seems designed to only play off of preconceived notions in your imagination and not any reality. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:06:30 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 5 23:54:53 2010. AND YOU RACISM MARCHS ON |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:08:27 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:18:27 2010. Bull shit. Please don't pretend to know what all white people think, speak for your self/ People like you make white folks look bad. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:10:37 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 5 23:48:03 2010. It happens and it is most unfortunate. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 6 13:10:58 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:08:27 2010. Agreed, although I respect LuchAAA's opinions, it's not right to say that all white people share the same opinion. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:21:39 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 00:57:24 2010. >>>>>Who's really going to admit their prejudices? <<<<<Well we know you don't. I doubt you can even see your predjudices, and that's ad. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 14:09:55 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Feb 6 13:08:27 2010. I agree, but at least statistically he's correct. Still there's a big difference between being white and living in a predominantly white neighborhood (nothing in the world wrong with that) and agreeing with racial discrimination.And while we're not on the subject...unlike NYC, in LA whites will very rarely move into majority black neighborhoods. The only locations where I have seen this happen are in a few West LA and Culver City neighborhoods that border South Central. Whites moved just a few blocks farther east as western homes became more expensive. Yet whites will and often do move into majority Hispanic neighborhoods (Highland Park, Westlake, Echo Park,...Boyle Heights next!). |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 14:14:28 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 6 13:10:58 2010. I don't think that he meant all white people. He's trying to insult liberal whites that live in the suburbs. Maybe even people that post here. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:20:45 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 14:09:55 2010. SUBWAYSURF: People like you make white folks look bad.Easy: I agree You agree that I make white "folks" look bad? I'm just telling the truth about what white people really say and feel when choosing a home or apartment. How many white people who are looking for a home on Long Island are going to go to Brentwood and Freeport before Massapequa or Dix Hills? Sorry. It's simply true. SUBWAYSURF just likes to insult with nothing to back himself up. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:36:19 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 6 13:10:58 2010. Well, maybe I should have said "most", but you and SUBWAYSURF would still attack me.Truth is, I'm still right. For most white people, they'll make feel good statements like, "I don't mind what color my neighbors are". Or my favorite goes something like this: "I had (insert minority) neighbors and they were really nice people". People who make such statements usually don't mean it. It's often a sign of surrender and acceptance of the fact that middle class neighborhoods are becoming much more diverse, whether one likes it or not. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:40:10 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:36:19 2010. It's often a sign of surrender and acceptance of the fact that middle class neighborhoods are becoming much more diverse, whether one likes it or not.Surrender to who or what? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:42:02 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:20:45 2010. I'm just telling the truth about what white people really say and feel when choosing a home or apartment. How many white people who are looking for a home on Long Island are going to go to Brentwood and Freeport before Massapequa or Dix Hills? Sorry. It's simply true.You're simply ignoring income and assets. What's the point in comparing blacks of limited net worth with whites or relatively more net worth? Not too many relatively affluent blacks I know desire to live in Brentwood or Freeport. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:44:30 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:40:10 2010. So how's that search for a co-op apartment in Corona going for you? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:45:58 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:42:02 2010. What's the point in comparing blackExactly! What's the point? I'm certainly not talking about them here. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:49:02 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:44:30 2010. So how's that search for a co-op apartment in Corona going for you?You know quite well where I looked and settled on. If Corona had the quality of life that I'd found attractive, I'd have looked into it, but it doesn't. I also didn't look at Lenox Hill. In neither case did I consider the racial makeup of the neighborhood, or who's surrendering to who. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:53:47 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:45:58 2010. Exactly! What's the point? I'm certainly not talking about them here.I don't follow. You picked areas with large Hispanic and Black population: Freeport and Brentwood. You compared them to areas with a population that's largely (non-Hispanic) White: Massapequa and Dix Hills. If you're not talking about race, then you're talking about net worth, and my comments still apply. The person looking to buy in Brentwood isn't the person looking to buy in Dix Hills. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:59:02 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:49:02 2010. You know quite well where I looked and settled onNo. I know you narrowed it down to Forest Hills or Flushing(near the Main St station on the 7). If Corona had the quality of life that I'd found attractive, I'd have looked into it, "Quality of life"? LOL. That's a good one. And you see, you admit you didn't even look into it. You already know what Corona is about. In neither case did I consider the racial makeup of the neighborhood, or who's surrendering to who. Bullshit. All white people do. It crosses everyone's mind. Some are more serious about it than others though. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 16:06:11 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 15:53:47 2010. Well, Dix Hills may be a bad example. But I think most whites will still look for a "nice" neighborhood that they can afford, and still be in a mostly white environment. Just a fact of life. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 16:25:15 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 16:06:11 2010. But I think most whites will still look for a "nice" neighborhood that they can afford, and still be in a mostly white environment. Just a fact of life.I think that it is a fact of life, all of it expect the 'mostly white environment' part. I think that you're simply misinterpreting the fact that many - but certainly not all - decent neighborhoods in/near urban areas are plurality/majority non-hispanic white. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 16:31:39 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:59:02 2010. I know you narrowed it down to Forest Hills or Flushing(near the Main St station on the 7).My error, then, in assuming that you knew it. It's the latter. "Quality of life"? LOL. That's a good one. I'm quite serious. Quality of life. That's what everyone is looking for, but it takes money to get there. I want easy access to transit, low crime, shopping options, some amenities, a nice view, and neighbors who don't intrude on my life. And you see, you admit you didn't even look into it. You already know what Corona is about. It can't deliver what I'm looking for, so what's the point? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 18:15:48 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 15:20:45 2010. No, sorry I meant that I agree with this bit:Please don't pretend to know what all white people think, speak for your self You should have said, some, many, or maybe most. Or even better "in my experience". |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 18:30:58 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 6 16:31:39 2010. I'm quite serious. Quality of life. That's what everyone is looking for, but it takes money to get there. I want easy access to transit, low crime, shopping options, some amenities, a nice view, and neighbors who don't intrude on my life.You are fooling yourself. While that is generally true, race plays a big part. Maybe NYC is different, but in LA most whites will assume that it's a high crime neighborhood if they see too many blacks. Unfortunately they aren't necessarily incorrect. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 20:28:34 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 18:30:58 2010. You are fooling yourselfAt least he's fooling someone. I'm still laughing at "Quality of Life". Yeah. I brought up Corona Queens, and he wants to live in Flushing. Both neighborhoods are close together, with the only major difference being the demographics. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 20:46:14 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 20:28:34 2010. Is crime higher in one? Are schools better? Does Queens have any good schools left? If so, I'm already jealous. Is one quieter than the other? These are quality of life issues. It's not just home prices. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 21:03:08 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 20:46:14 2010. Is crime higher in one?Not sure. Are schools better? Does Queens have any good schools left? I'd assume the schools are better in Flushing, where there's a greater concentration of Asians and Jews vs. Corona, which is largely Latino. Is one quieter than the other? trainsarefun must think so. I guess he does not like to be disturbed by loud music and souped up cars which he'd find in Corona. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 6 21:14:49 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 21:03:08 2010. Why don't you realize that he doesn't care who plays the loud music and drives the souped up cars, only that he doesn't want to be near that. If you want to pay attention to race, it's only a proxy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 21:24:49 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 6 21:14:49 2010. Why don't you realize that he doesn't care who plays the loud music and drives the souped up cars, only that he doesn't want to be near thatI agree, and understand it. But one usually goes with the other, and quality-of-life will almost always deteriorate when certain demos reach a critical mass. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 6 21:33:27 2010, in response to Re: Lawsuit alleges two Bronx co-ops prevent blacks from purchasing units, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 6 21:24:49 2010. Why would you move to a diverse neighborhood if you believed that? I remember you posting that subway stops helped deteriorate nice neighborhoods before you even moved to Tampa so this is not something that you recently discovered. |
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