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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:12:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 22:10:16 2009. Gee wouldn't that be just diabolical? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 22:48:53 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:43:39 2009. They aren't. To what standing, combatant army do they belong? What is their uniform? If you can't answer these questions, then they're civilian. In all honesty they're just a gang of thugs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:51:27 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 22:48:53 2009. Their uniform is the towel and diaper |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 22:52:01 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 22:10:16 2009. No, just saves typoing. I picked it up from a RWM on another group. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 22:54:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 22:51:27 2009. Appropriate, but that doesn't stand up in a court of law. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:33:37 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:11:15 2009. Matters not. It's the right thing to do. We will show the world we have a fair justice system. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:34:06 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:42:05 2009. Not the reasoning Holder gave. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:35:16 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:33:37 2009. Matters not unless you live in a democracy. Senate grilled Holder today and he came off like a babbling idiot. He couldn't begin to justify the decision. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:37:19 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:05:36 2009. He said that years ago. The military tribunals are different now. We don't know if he'd do it now. Why should we decide based on what he wants? He wants a military tribunal so he can argue to the Muslim world that he is a soldier for Allah. Why should we let him? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:42:35 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:59:43 2009. What a foolish remark. Ever hear of shorthand? He's decidedly NOT warm and fuzzy. It's a lot easier writing KSM than his full name. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:44:17 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:37:19 2009. Then whay are others having military tribunals. Where is the logic? Where is the consistency? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:45:23 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:35:16 2009. Holder made the grandstanding Senators look like idiots.Democracy - right. 56% of voters elected Obama. Forgot it already, huh? Elections matter. Polls don't. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:45:43 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:42:35 2009. Feel free to disagree. You've certainly been wrong before. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:46:51 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:45:23 2009. You must have watched the MSNBC coverage. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:53:00 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:44:17 2009. Holder, consulting with DOD, decided on the best forum for trying each defendant based on where he thought it was most likely to gain a conviction. depending on the offense, the location and the evidence. Until you know the evidence he has, in particular, you can't credibly second-guess the decision. Holder is, if anything, a cautious lawyer who weighs decisions carefully. This was not lightly decided. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:53:31 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:45:43 2009. As have you. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:55:24 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:46:51 2009. C-SPAN. And you watched the Fox coverage. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Nov 19 00:02:08 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:59:43 2009. Actually, it's KSM because no one wants to bother having to spell it out; here, it's shorthand independent of politics. If I didn't have the name on the screen in front of me, I would probably botch the spelling. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Nov 19 00:02:46 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 22:10:16 2009. Or because the name is just too hard to spell; KSM is easy shorthand. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Nov 19 00:03:56 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:44:46 2009. That can be treated as a separate instance---as can Shanksville. Those charges can be held in reserve.However, civilian craft was used to use them, and thus jurisdiction isn't clear. Furthermore, it's a target within the USA. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Nov 19 00:04:51 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:35:16 2009. However, at the same time, I have to believe most of them have already made up their minds about this, and weren't going to care what Holder said. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 19 03:33:13 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:59:43 2009. LuchAAA first used "KSM" in his subject header on this topic. Even if he wouldn't have, somebody else here would have here at Off Topic Chat.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 19 04:53:16 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 07:22:37 2009. I was hoping somebody would notice that!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 07:10:56 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 22:52:01 2009. Don't be so serious....do you think I was 100% serious when ending a post with Mmmmmm mmmmm mmmmm? Come on.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 07:23:51 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:45:23 2009. Democracy - right. 56% of voters elected Obama. Forgot it already, huh?It's 52%, but even so, that was last year. He's lost a lot of that support already. The independents put Obama in, and they are the same ones he is losing rapidly. Still trying to use last year's talking points, eh. And even if using last year's talking points (as if they mean anything in the present), at least get the numbers right. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 19 07:24:42 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:59:43 2009. I love what you guys on the left have done. He's no longer Kalid Sheik Mohammud. He's now "KSM" - sort of like KFC, right. Makes him sound all warm and fuzzy - Next we'll ne hearing KSM is our friend.Damned liberals |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 07:29:39 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Nov 19 00:02:08 2009. You people are hilarious. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 07:30:30 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Nov 19 00:03:56 2009. It's a military target within the USA, and all four planes were planed and orchestrated together in a simultaneous attack. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 19 08:29:22 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 19 07:24:42 2009. Could just as easily be Kentucky Seared Moron. Just might be in the end. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 10:40:51 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 07:22:37 2009. False statement! Get back to your studies and gain some maturity. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 19 11:28:13 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 07:29:39 2009. Don't attack us for doing something, without any indication that the attack was frivolous, then attack us again for being too serious about the attack. Given the stupidity of most conservative attacks these days, we are forced to look on every attack as serious. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 19 11:31:24 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 07:23:51 2009. You guys use last century's talking points (health reform is socialism, FDR - uh, Obama - is a Communist, etc.) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 11:47:50 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 10:40:51 2009. You and your Aspergers! Go and write a letter to someone! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Nov 19 11:50:15 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:57:20 2009. FAIL.My brother who was IN the Pentagon that day, confirmed to me that he saw pieces of the plane's tail in the wreckage. Try again. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 11:53:36 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 19 11:28:13 2009. I didn't "attack" you. I was "elaborating" on another post someone else made about the letters.Stop being so serious. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Nov 19 11:54:12 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 23:45:43 2009. Yes, leftists like John Yoo and Jonah Goldberg on National Review.You are a funny, funny man. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 19 11:55:34 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 19 11:31:24 2009. I never said "Obama is a communist", and FDR's presidency years are on that biased graph. If it's on the graph, it's free game. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Nov 19 12:23:38 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:11:15 2009. There is no reason to do it. There is nothing to be gained.What is gained is a conviction and an execution. You must prefer that they stay at their vacation home in the Caribbeans. What makes you believe that imprisonment at GITMO is worse punishment than death row at Terre Haute? Where |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Nov 19 12:30:59 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:42:05 2009. Holder gets convictions and death sentences. Look at his time as Deputy Attorney General.With all due respect for the JAG Corps, they were in the dual situation of public defenders and prosecutors in types of cases that they had never tried before and it showed. The public defenders were having more success then the prosecutors. If you want these people brought to justice you should applaud Holder but you seem to want to continue to coddle them in Cuba. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Nov 19 13:18:35 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:53:00 2009. excellent post. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Nov 20 05:26:38 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 23:53:00 2009. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Defense Sec. Gates didn't find out about this in the morning paper.your pal, Fred |
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