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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 04:01:37 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 03:47:41 2009. He found a new one?*PROFF*? :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:02:43 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 17 23:25:36 2009. They think that they have a strong case and can get a conviction. Prosecutors don't choose trial venues or conditions unless they know they can win. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:03:35 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 00:08:25 2009. And he thinks he can win. He's a lawyer.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 04:08:21 2009, in response to Re: When did the right change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 03:51:57 2009. Ya gotta love these "righties" ... they favor "LIFE without parole" in the Carribean for another taxpayer-funded winter vacation, and now they're likely to suffer the death penalty and these guys are whining! What's wrong with this picture?
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:35:25 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 04:01:37 2009. Read the preface :D your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 04:45:38 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:35:25 2009. Heh. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:48:31 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 04:45:38 2009. They're punching more holes in that book than a strainer. The Princess and the Pee.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 07:22:37 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 03:47:41 2009. Ron! Where have you been, it's been a while! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 08:49:13 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 17 22:28:28 2009. But that they were captured outside of USA soil renders any other rights normally afforded to Americans irrelevant.False CIA HQ Shooter The above terrorist was captured in Pakistan just like KSM, tried in US civilian court and quickly executed. That's toughness. That's Justice....not what the usual 'fraidy cats here keep proposing which is the same shit that has kept KSM and others languishing for years because of the failed policies of the predecessors of President Obama, AG Holder and SecDef Gates. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 08:53:36 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 17 22:27:28 2009. FOX News??
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 08:55:54 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 17 21:39:28 2009. pwn3d |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 18 09:06:06 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 08:49:13 2009. Additionally, Bush may have made an error in jurisdictional judgment. I normally don't put something on the past POTUS, but that is on him; this clearly should have screamed civilians, as the targets were civilians.The Cole, OTOH, was a military target. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 18 09:12:15 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 21:12:32 2009. Nah, TD was just railfanning in Los Angeles :)
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 09:28:40 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:48:31 2009. Yep. Totally has me off red Polartec fleece too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 16:29:13 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 18 09:06:06 2009. How were the guys picked up? They were picked up by the military in military procedures. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 18 16:31:39 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 18 09:06:06 2009. Your legal opinion is already worthless on here, why do you continue to display your ignorance in this area? These are not civilian defendants, they are enemy combatants. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:39:32 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 18 16:31:39 2009. "Enemy combatant" is a contrived designation. It does exist in written law. They are not members of a standing army. Therefore, military law dictates they be treated under civilian law. The bombers of the Cole, however, are different. The Cole is a military installation, any crime against it or its crew is a military issue.KSM can be tried in military courts only for the Pentagon plane aspect of 9/11. Defendants get far more latitude in military courts. Better to let this play out first. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:40:29 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:39:32 2009. "It does NOT exist in written law". |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 18 16:52:16 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 18 09:06:06 2009. Not that I agree with you but if you use your reasoning what about the Pentagon? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 18 16:55:46 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?(CORRECTION), posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:40:29 2009. Your correction is incorrect. The Geneva Convention defines an unlawful enemy combatant. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Nov 18 17:03:20 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?(CORRECTION), posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:40:29 2009. With respect, are you sure about that? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 17:07:19 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 16:29:13 2009. Since when does that determine what court they are tried in? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 17:08:42 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?(CORRECTION), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 18 16:55:46 2009. That may be, but these guys don't fit the definition. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 17:32:07 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 18 16:52:16 2009. The Pentagon is a military target.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 18:09:27 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 08:55:54 2009. Not really, I was responding to a post about Barrack. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 18 18:31:44 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 18 16:52:16 2009. Separate instance; sit on that one. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 18 18:32:57 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 16:29:13 2009. How they were picked up may not necessarily be relevant. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 18:46:48 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?(CORRECTION), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 18 16:55:46 2009. ....as civilians. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 19:00:09 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 16:29:13 2009. KSM was picked up Pakistani authorities just like the 1993 CIA HQ shooter was. That guy was caught in 1997, tried and convicted in 1998 and executed in 2002. All in the civilian courts. Guess who the US Deputy Attorney General was from 1997-2001?Meanwhile KSM keeps breathing the same air I breath since 2003 thanks to Bush. Had he been put in civilian court from the get-go, he would have already been six feet under by now and I would be pissing on his grave. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 19:01:57 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:39:32 2009. KSM can be tried in military courts only for the Pentagon plane aspect of 9/11.No he can't because he used civilian means for that crime. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 19:05:28 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 19:00:09 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 19:10:15 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 19:01:57 2009. It's a crime involving a military installation. Doesn't matter how you do it, the issue is where. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 20:41:55 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 16:39:32 2009. Even if you want to make this look like the 9/11 attacks were not an "act of war"...your argument sinks faster than the titanic because the Pentagon is a military installation, is it not? The 9/11 attacks were ONE attack, choreographed together. It wasn't a seperate attack in NY and Washington, it was all one attack, planned simultaneously, and enacted simultaneously.Liberal semantics can of course, try and say otherwise. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 20:42:53 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?(CORRECTION), posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 18:46:48 2009. Your semantics don't hold up, the Pentagon is a military institution, even if the Leftists want to say the 9/11 attacks were not an act of war. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 20:46:01 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 19:00:09 2009. Even if your semantics were true, they are STILL military....they attacked the Pentagon. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 20:47:31 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 20:41:55 2009. Matters not. There's no rule against trying these folks in US courts. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 20:48:25 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 20:46:01 2009. Even if your semantics were true,Even? You mean I'm making this stuff up? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:02:39 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 00:08:41 2009. Bingo is a chimp, Al. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:05:36 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 17 23:25:36 2009. Really haven't followed it? WHy don't I believe that? Considering that Kalid Sheik Mohammud has said he would plead guilty in front of a military tribunal, what's the real purpose of going civilian. I f they want a conviction - they got one at a tribunal. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:06:55 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 04:02:43 2009. They haave a guaranteed guilty plea at a tribunal |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:08:29 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 08:55:54 2009. Whineberger wannabee! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:11:15 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 20:47:31 2009. There is no reason to do it. There is nothing to be gained. More than 70% of the US population now disagree with you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:13:53 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 20:48:25 2009. Hey, if the shoe fits, you'll make it smell. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 21:33:26 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 20:41:55 2009. Lawyers see it differently. How they prosecute this isn't political WRT its details. Each plane is its own count, I guess. That also gives then 3 chances to win, 2 in civil court, 1 military. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:42:05 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 18 20:47:31 2009. No there isn't, but the reasoning giving is that the attacks weren't on military....but the Pentagon throws a wrench into that false reasoning. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:43:39 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 18 21:33:26 2009. But again, so much for saying these people aren't related to "military" which was the excrement being pasted on the wall, but the Pentagon throws a wrench into that thinking. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:44:46 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 20:48:25 2009. Yes, you were trying to say yesterday that this had nothing to do with the military, that they were "civilians". You forgot about the Pentagon. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:57:20 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 21:44:46 2009. He may be another of the 9-11 deniers like Charlie Sheen who say a US missle took out the Pentagon to frame the hijackers. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:59:43 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 18 19:00:09 2009. I love what you guys on the left have done. He's no longer Kalid Sheik Mohammud. He's now "KSM" - sort of like KFC, right. Makes him sound all warm and fuzzy - Next we'll ne hearing KSM is our friend. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 18 22:10:16 2009, in response to Re: When did President Obama change his mind?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Nov 18 21:59:43 2009. Heh. For the same reason Kentucky Fried Chicken did the whole "KFC campaign and for years were just KFC, erasing all visable signs that it was "Kentucky FRIED Chricken" to get away from the potential "unhealthiness" of fried chicken, much less in their name no less....the leftists are using "KSM"....perhaps to ket the Muslim connotations out?Hmmmmm Hmmmmmm Hmmmmmm. |
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