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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:21:58 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:32:45 2009. He keeps bringing up his immingrant roots and keeps mentioning his family. That's HIS shoes not someone else's. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:22:41 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 00:19:25 2009. The Jewish vote is kind of what I mean by Dade, Pinellas, and Lee Counties. It's also the Catholic Italians from NY, Providence, and NJ who have relocated to Florida and made it possible. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:23:00 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:27:16 2009. Racism is dead in America. No need for affirmative action, etc..... If a black man can be President, all obstacles have been removed.Tell that to the family of that security guard at the US Holocaust Museum. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:29:18 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:23:00 2009. Affirmative action has nothing to do with this.Remember the "Knoxville Horror". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:31:21 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:18:37 2009. His blackness helped in Florida. Minorities and liberals liked that and voted for him.For all the relocated baby-boomers in Dade, Lee, and Pinellas Counties, Obama's candidacy was the realization of a dream started back in the 60's. So you are saying that those same people would have voted for McCain over Hillary? C'mon now? For Latinos in Florida, it was about sticking together as a minority, and breaking the monopoly white males have had on the White House. yeah and FL Latinos have always stuck together and voted Republican until 2008. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:32:16 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:22:41 2009. It's also the Catholic Italians from NY, Providence, and NJ who have relocated to Florida and made it possible.Those people have traditionally been swing voters. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:34:59 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:31:21 2009. Florida has been close for some time. No surprise Obama flipped the state, probably for good.Hillary is another affirmative action group that would appeal to relocated northerners and minorities. You gotta go down there to see how northern the state is. I'm waiting for them to start telling people to leave the beach at 6p like they do in Rockaway. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:43:01 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:34:59 2009. Hillary is another affirmative action group that would appeal to relocated northerners and minorities.The people you mention vote Democrat anyway. Were Bill Clinton and John Kerry part of an affirmative action group? Obama won in FL because he flipped enough people that had voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. The groups you mentioned never voted for Bush. In Florida, Obama recaptured the Bill Clinton voters of 1996 and enough Republican-leaning people of all races that were disenchanted with the GOP for a myriad of reasons. I think that McCain could have won FL had he chosen Tom Ridge instead of Palin as his running mate. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 00:51:59 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 00:29:18 2009. That's more a case of not juicy enough for the media. If not for the murder or Tamika Huston in South Carolina, a claim of liberal bias would have been valid. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 01:26:36 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 3 00:43:01 2009. No. Obama won Florida b/c of the booming Latino population, especially Puerto Rican, blacks from Jamaica and Haiti, and African-Americans who would otherwise stay home. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jul 3 01:29:27 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 00:51:59 2009. Huston was killed by her ex-boyfriend. Hardly random violence like Knoxville Horror or the Holocaust Museum shooter. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 3 01:43:21 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:54:41 2009. damn.. :( |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 3 02:54:28 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 22:03:21 2009. Cap and Trade, the pay stipulations in regards to taking TARP money, TARP itself, The Keynesian "Renew America" project, etc.And the best part is none of this will prevent what happened from happening again. It was Clinton and the Republican congress in 99 that removed that act that created firewalls between investment banks and regular banks after the 29' fiasco. That, along with the WTO whoredom to China, is what sent the economy on the trajectory it is on now. Bush simply followed along. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jul 3 04:22:43 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 23:27:16 2009. >>>>Racism is dead in America.<<<Oh? You moved to another country? |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Jul 3 06:11:45 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 22:46:24 2009. I am not comparing them to the government. I'm just pointing out that the NFL is making money by sharing the wealth. This is just one case where Roger's statement doesn't apply. Roger's statement does apply in the case of MLB. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Jul 3 06:21:31 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 22:48:15 2009. I think I have it figured it out now. I should have buttered you up first and agreed with Dr. Rogers and used MLB as an example of how spreading the wealth fails. Maybe you would have agreed with that analogy? Then I could have zinged you with the NFL comparison. Oh well maybe next time.BTW thank you for the kind words about my photos. Maybe if everyone here could have thrown a compliment more often over at subchat, Milantram & I might be posting pictures more often than we do now. OK I'm done whining. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Jul 3 06:22:21 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:52:55 2009. Thanks, but not everyone feels that way. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Jul 3 06:27:05 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 10:31:39 2009. You are right. Rush is just a gas bag for the right as Michael Moore is a gas bag for the left. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 07:01:54 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 10:31:39 2009. It's not that he's appointed, the GOP aquiesces to his speaking for them. Apologizing for criticism means acceptance.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 07:07:32 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Grand Concourse on Thu Jul 2 22:40:29 2009. No, because if everday folks run for office they're accused of being "inexperienced".your pal, Fred |
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Posted by docstox on Fri Jul 3 07:15:34 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:15:19 2009. Private electric utility companies. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 3 07:30:59 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 07:07:32 2009. Yep! And just LOOK at the results we get with EXPERIENCED hucksters. :(Espada has PROVEN that the Esenate is broke. Send them ALL home so they can't make any more laws! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 3 07:32:47 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by docstox on Fri Jul 3 07:15:34 2009. But they're all ESCO's now ... NO utility generates shit anymore. They got dereg'd too. ENRON LIVES! :( |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 3 07:36:56 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:58:50 2009. One trillion dollars went to the banks while homeowners and working class received ZERO!!! Corporate welfare at it's worst thanks to our current President of "change". |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 07:36:59 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 15:51:00 2009. Who said he 'controls' the GOP?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 3 07:43:55 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Jul 3 06:21:31 2009. You stopped doing the photo series because you thought people didn't enjoy them? I always thought lots of people commented? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 3 07:50:18 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 07:01:54 2009. Bull. If that's the case, J. Wright is a spokesman for Obama because Obama didn't "apologize for him", and "apologizing for criticism means acceptance". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 3 07:54:53 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:58:50 2009. Oh stop it, it's time for the current administration to take some responsibility for what they are doing. The "blaming of the former administration" for everything can only go so far. How about taking responsibility for HOW they are handling the plate they have? If they want praise for the good things that happen (and don't want to give responsibility for inheriting the good things), then it's also time to stop saying all the bad things are not their fault and deflecting that responsibility.Obama may not be blamed for the crash but he sure as hell can be blamed on how it's handled. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 08:06:29 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 3 07:50:18 2009. Obama distanced himself from Wright without apology. Some Republican congressman and the current head of the RNC apologized for merely criticizing Rush Limbaugh. There goes that argument.Wright doesn't have a radio show that reaches millions. Rush does. In fact nobody hears much about Wright. I've not seen Wright speaking at political events. Seen Rush as a speaker at CPAC. Like I told TD, the comparison to Wright is simply a spiteful tit for tat response, not grounded in any reality but intended to sway the argument because supposedly Rev. Wright is this big scary thing that counters anything liberals have to say. Doesn't work. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 08:09:09 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 2 20:56:38 2009. It's libel.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 08:23:20 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:13:36 2009. His portfolio could possibly include such investments.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 08:31:14 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 21:54:55 2009. LOL, yeah, I don't get that one either.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 09:39:46 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 20:21:25 2009. Thanks, I know I have you on the ropes when you start making baseless accusations.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 10:00:39 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 13:18:37 2009. They said the same thing in 1993.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jul 3 10:26:42 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 3 02:54:28 2009. None of those reflect 'socialism', a charge that is thrown around a lot without being much understood. Many of them reflect, I think, ineffective and poor attempts to right the economy that stand a fair chance of being more wasteful than inaction, and probably not making much of a difference anyway.We need to get away from the one word 'socialism' rejoinder to policies and get down to what we actually like or don't like about them and their consequences. There is plenty that I am not a fan of in TARP, TARP 2.0, and in the energy bill, and a lot of the stimulus bill too, but I do better to address that point by point than just yell 'socialism!' The Keynesian "Renew America" project I didn't find much wrong with that aspect of President Obama's program in principle. The problem was that the actual stimulus bill that passed Congress was not very much of a "Renew America" bill; a lot of looked like political payback. The importance of stimulus hitting at the right time (soon after, or better yet, just before, the cycle has hit the downward phase, otherwise you have to push up the overall amount) and in the right dollar range (it's liable to mostly fail if the amount is low, making overstimulation better to err on the side of). Paying for (long lived capital) assets on a long time scale on borrowed money is something familiar to all of us. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 10:29:55 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 3 02:54:28 2009. Yup---and who do Republicans want to blame for it? The Democrats, when McCain had fingerprints all over the key bill that started it, even though they were out of power (if you want something done, you get it done---even if it means a government shutdown).By itself, the Community Reinvestment Act wasn't a problem. |
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Posted by Robert King on Fri Jul 3 10:32:18 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 3 07:32:47 2009. Wasn't that the whole point of deregulation of the electric utilities? To get them out of the generation business, so they'd purchase electricity at high prices from generating companies and sell it at a loss to customers under legislated rate caps?Sounds like a sound business strategy for me. Must be another graduate of the General Motors School Of Business Management that got into government and came up with that one... -Robert King |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:07:10 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 23:58:50 2009. He took the ball and ran with it. Sad part is that he's running the wrong way. Unemployment has doubled in 6 months and the projected deficit has tripled. obama is a loser. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:09:39 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 2 22:52:07 2009. Liberals take entertainers seriously. You mindless trolls are the only ones howling about them. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:11:32 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:09:39 2009. In what realm are entertainers taken seriously? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 3 11:12:10 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:09:39 2009. So do conservatives. Works both ways. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:13:05 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:07:10 2009. The unemployment was likely going up anyway. Do you really believe that if McCain/Palin was elected, it would be going back down? If so, then the next question would be: Are business owners doing this out of spite, or out of bad miscalculations? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:13:55 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 3 08:06:29 2009. Your simplistic attitude doesn't suprise me. obama was a Wright subject for more than 20 years despite the fact that obama seems to conveniently forget all of the anti-white and anti-semitic diatribe. I doubt that there are any conservatives here who have been listening to Rush Limbaugh for 20 years or even 10. Besides, Rush Limbaugh has never made anti-black or anti-semitic statements. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:14:47 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:11:32 2009. Are you for real? Who is always howling about the influence of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:15:10 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 3 11:12:10 2009. For example? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:15:39 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:14:47 2009. Not me...if you ask me, the real danger is WorldNetDaily, which is an example of right-wing extremism (probably the only one). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:16:25 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:13:55 2009. Just because Obama listened to Jeremiah Wright doesn't mean that he shares his thoughts; that's a common inference mistake. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:17:42 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:13:05 2009. "The unemployment was likely going up anyway."Would you care to prove that with any substantiated data? I agree about bad mis-calculations on the part of obama and the liberal congress. Look, you guys wanted to have the ball tossed to you. You caught the pass - don't blame the conservatives if your guy fumbled. Turnover coming |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:18:28 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:15:39 2009. and you are probably one of the few who read it faithfully |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 3 11:21:02 2009, in response to Re: Food for Thought For Liberals, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 3 11:16:25 2009. You know, you liberal morons are exasperating in your idiotic hypocracy. obama listens to Wright for 20 years, never challanges his racist, anti-american and anti-semitic views but obama doesn't share his thoughts but if conservatives listen to Rush Limbaugh, they are being brainwashed. Are you a clown or what? |
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