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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 30 20:47:45 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 20:32:47 2009. Except that he has...you cannot conclude that Obama did NOT take the correct action vis a vis Iran, for instance. Nor can you conclude that Obama is making us less safe---that is, if you use the naked facts. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 30 20:51:01 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 20:31:58 2009. It doesn't surprise me that you never answered my question. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jun 30 21:19:44 2009, in response to The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 28 22:22:16 2009. While not a fan of the President, I have to ask to be fair, do we know for a fact that he didn't send his condolences to the Fawcett family? Maybe the press just didn't report it. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 30 21:21:28 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jun 30 21:19:44 2009. And if he didn't, so what? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 22:10:59 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jun 30 21:19:44 2009. Excellent question. All I can say was that his advisor, David Axelrod only reported that one condolence letter had been sent. Did obama send more than one - is anyones guess but he only acknowledged sending one. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 30 22:12:36 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 22:10:59 2009. So it's okay to capitalize his advisors name, but not Obama or President? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 30 22:31:40 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 30 20:25:34 2009. Did I say it wasn't funny too? Christ people, why is everyone so serious? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 30 22:36:09 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 30 22:31:40 2009. Moi? Serios?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 30 22:41:49 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Easy on Tue Jun 30 22:12:36 2009. Are you serious? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 30 22:45:11 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 30 22:41:49 2009. I guess. He frequently and intentionally doesn't capitalize "Obama" or "President" when other proper nouns in his post are capitalized. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 30 22:58:38 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 30 22:31:40 2009. Did I say it wasn't funny too? Christ people, why is everyone so serious?Serious? Now you must be the one kidding.;-> |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 30 23:02:36 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 30 20:47:45 2009. Except that he has...you cannot conclude that Obama did NOT take the correct action vis a vis Iran, for instance.Indeed. Most Americans Back Obama on Iran Election Poll Finds |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 1 00:35:55 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 30 23:02:36 2009. Exactly, McCain got it wrong. Obama also diffused Chavez claim that the Honduran coup was American-engineered. So far so good.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 00:46:21 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 20:47:02 2009. If you're not a racist, you're a fool for making an issue of this. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 00:50:51 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 30 23:02:36 2009. I wonder if that's as good as that "great" NYTimes poll you posted the other day with the tainted sample. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 00:53:45 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 00:50:51 2009. Proof the sample was tainted? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 00:57:02 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 00:53:45 2009. I already provided proof in that thread that they used a bad sample. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 1 01:05:08 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 00:46:21 2009. It's a quintessential post, wouldn't you agree?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:09:47 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 1 01:05:08 2009. Yes, so predictable. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:17:37 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 00:57:02 2009. Obama's approval rating:Rasmussen's latest poll. 31% approve of Obama's performance. 33% disapprove of Obama's performance. The first time since he took office the tide switched the other way. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 1 01:22:16 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:17:37 2009. yeah but that's not specifically regarding the Iranian election. Plus same poll shows most Americans prefer the Democrats running things over Republicans.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:24:19 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 00:53:45 2009. As for the NY Times poll on Obama's healtcare, as I said in that other thread, the sample is biased to Obama supporters, thus approval of his healthcare plan. In an election where 52% of the country voted for Obama, and 47% of the country voted for McCain, they took a sample of voters where 48% of the 800 people they polled voted for Obama, but only 25% of the people voted for McCain. That is incorrectly sloped towards Obama voters, and thus more people who would be for his healthcare plan. it's way too much proportional of Obama voters. Whereas the actual vote was only off by about 5% Obama vs McCain, this poll was almost 2 for 1 towards Obama. Bad sample.
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:26:27 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:17:37 2009. Sounds like an outlier - CNN poll yesterday shows Obama 61% approval. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:29:54 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 1 01:22:16 2009. I know it's not specifically about the Iranian election. But I want to know what the sample was, and if it was "better" than that NY Times poll that all the leftists thought was gospel, but then couldn't defend when it was shown that the sample was bad.This sample may be better. I don't know. I was asking him where the poll was, and "if the sample was better than that great NY Times poll". I didn't say it wasn't true, but we can't just take polls at face value. As for your second sentence, the same thing. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:30:26 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:24:19 2009. People's "recollections" of whom they voted are notoriously unreliable. They will often say they voted for the winner even when they didn't. Since I assume the sample was randomly chosen, as all these polling operations do, that's the likely explanation for the disparity. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:32:38 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:26:27 2009. Everyone loved Rasmussen during the election, now all of a sudden it's not a good poll group? What was the sample for the CNN poll, the same CNN poll that said Americans approve of the Iranian thing?Where's the specifics of this poll? What was the sample used? What were the questions used? When we found the actually NY Times poll, it was shot apart, and it was dug deeper than just the talking points they chose to put in their article. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:33:35 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:30:26 2009. Oh please. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 01:34:47 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:32:38 2009. Hah. Polls don't matter until they say so. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jul 1 01:48:23 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:29:54 2009. Yeah, true, and it's daily as well. Still interesting numbers; according to that it's same old same old.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 1 10:54:30 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:26:27 2009. Sounds like an outlier - CNN poll yesterday shows Obama 61% approval.No, it's misquoted. 31% Strongly Approve and 33% Strongly Disapprove. Rasmussen's total Approve/Disapprove is 54%/45%. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 13:11:25 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 1 10:54:30 2009. Ahhh, thank you, thank you.....you proved my point perfectly! I was waiting for someone to take the bait. The 31% disapproval, and 33% approval were "strongly disapprove" and "strongly approve" respectively and ARE part of the same Ramussen's poll. The 54 and 45 are total (adding disapprove to strongly disapprove and approve to strongly approve respectively).The point was that you can take polls and statistics and portray them any way you want, and to fit your needs by not giving ALL the information, and just using the parts that fit your needs. The same thing with the poll I was responding to. But in any event, Obama's approval rating is still the lowest it's been since he's been in office. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 1 14:16:35 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 01:26:27 2009. Who did they poll? Left wing liberals? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:45:21 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 00:53:45 2009. Proof is that you agree with the results. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 22:59:58 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 13:11:25 2009. I think the point is you deliberately misquoted a poll to make Obama look worse. Despicable. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:02:03 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 1 01:32:38 2009. Calm down, geez. Did I say any Rasmussen was not a good sample? All I said it was an outlier compared to ALL other major polls. Tetchy, tetchy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 07:54:55 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 22:59:58 2009. I didn't misquote anything. The poll said what it said. 31 and 33. No different than a poll someone else posted only giving part of the information making the other side like worse, or worse, when a national newspaper does such a thing, giving only part of the information. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 07:58:37 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:02:03 2009. Of course, when backed in a corner, just deflect the facts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:01:04 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 1 14:16:35 2009. Of course, (and both sides do this, but Mr Stallion is doing it in this case) when a poll sounds like what they want to here, they call that the "factual poll", and use that in their arguments, and anything they "don't" want to accept as fact, they call the outlier. It could be the CNN poll that's the "outlier".....And then they totally ignore the facts based on "just who is the sample". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:03:15 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 21:45:21 2009. LOL, when the are presented with facts, it's "well people probably don't remember who they voted for", and then hope the facts go away. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:21:53 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 07:54:55 2009. Selective quotation, then. Just as malicious. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 09:48:40 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 07:54:55 2009. The poll said what it said. 31 and 33.No, the poll said 54 "approve" and 45 "disapprove," and you said 31 "approve" and 33 "disapprove." That's outright lying. No different than a poll someone else posted only giving part of the information making the other side like worse, or worse, when a national newspaper does such a thing, giving only part of the information. Where did you get the voter breakdown for the Times poll? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 10:04:22 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 08:01:04 2009. It could be the CNN poll that's the "outlier".....No, most other polls have Obama's approval rating in the 60-65 percent range. Rasmussen is the only major poll that reports percentages based on "likely voters," meaning they screen out certain respondents based on demographic criteria. The latest Quinnipiac poll shows an approval rating of 57%. Given that it has the largest sample size (3,063 registered voters) and is nicely between Rasmussen and the other polls, it's probably the most accurate. Quinnipiac has historically been a few points higher than Rasmussen and a few points lower than the rest; Obama's approval rating was 58% in March and April and 59% in February and May. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 10:06:08 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 01:34:47 2009. Polls don't matter until they say so.Polls only matter to journalists. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 10:28:40 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 10:04:22 2009. Thanks for pointing out the facts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 10:51:57 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 09:21:53 2009. Yes, the same as articles that were presented as facts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 10:55:52 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 09:48:40 2009. Where did you get the voter breakdown for the Times poll?Right from the horse's mouth, the COMPLETE POLL which is linked from the NY Times article: http://documents.nytimes.com/latest-new-york-times-cbs-news-poll-on-health |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 11:06:38 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 10:04:22 2009. Excuse me, but I took the 33% and 35% numbers DIRECTLY from the Rasmussen website. I didn't "fabricate" or try manufacture numbers, or deliberatly not give all the information. I did post those numbers e TO SHOW how if you don't have all the information or facts, it's easy to skew the statistics, which is EXACTLY what the article I originally was responding to was doing. I didn't nothing different than the article you and more so Italianstallion was taking as gospel, because it's "what you want to here".http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-five percent (35%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. This is the third straight day the Approval Index has been below zero (see trends). A Rasmussen video report notes that 42% now give the President good or excellent marks for handling the economy . That’s his lowest rating to date (Premium Members can see crosstabs and trends.Thirty-seven percent (37%) say the country is heading in the right direction. The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter. Overall, 53% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far. Forty-six percent (46%) disapprove. During June, there was little change in the party affiliation of the American people and Democrats retain a 7-percentage point advantage. Rasmussen Reports will not be polling for the next few days due to the Fourth of July holiday. New data will be released each day on our home page and we will resume the Presidential Tracking Poll on Sunday. Next Approval Index update will be released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern on Monday morning. Public support for Judge Sonia Sotomayor slipped following the highly publicized Supreme Court reversal of a decision involving New Haven firefighters. 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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 11:16:09 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 11:06:38 2009. Excuse me, but I took the 33% and 35% numbers DIRECTLY from the Rasmussen website.The Rasmussen website DIRECTLY said 54% approve and 45% disapprove, which are the parameters you claimed to be quoting. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 11:16:09 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 10:06:08 2009. And people here who post statistics to try and prove that "most of the country approves of Obama's healthcare", or "approve with the way the country is headed". |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jul 2 11:22:37 2009, in response to Re: The President Shows His Compassion (and maybe something else?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 2 10:55:52 2009. Right from the horse's mouth, the COMPLETE POLL which is linked from the NY Times article:Exactly. |
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