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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 26 17:55:57 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 25 21:52:08 2008.

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"and the bounds of their habitation;"

?? Maybe I read these things in the wrong angle.

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So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:58:33 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:17:50 2008.

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The replies to the above post show that you guys took it the WRONG way...


Too jumpy, I say, and not understanding...


I think it is because of the extreme leftism...

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Aug 26 18:03:36 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 20:34:23 2008.

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I've been to and gone to many places, when gas was cheaper.

I can't explain or convince you of Miami if you've never seen or heard of it. It's a one of a kind different animal. Where everyone just so happens to get shot...if you have an out of town plate, or a security officer, visiting the mall, etc etc...if the third world drivers or lack of english doesn't get you first.

Anyway, after so much gas money, i don't feel the need to explore many places if I'm not going to see anything interesting. What's the point, and why go somewhere I don't belong.
And before you racists all judge me, how often do you go down desolate country roads, or places that are like deliverance?

I know what you're saying about the Blue Line, I don't think Liberty City, with a video game named after it, is that.

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Re: Some WTC Thoughts....

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 18:06:01 2008, in response to Re: Some WTC Thoughts...., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:55:03 2008.

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I see no proof there. I see a lot of speculative, out-of-contexrt film clips; I hear a lot of opinions, and a lot of comparisions, esp. from Peter Jennings, but no proof that you suggest.


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Re: Some WTC Thoughts....

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:08:03 2008, in response to Re: Some WTC Thoughts...., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 18:06:01 2008.

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Like I said, I don't know the truth...All I know is that some weird stuff went on, and strange coincidences....

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 18:08:33 2008, in response to So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:58:33 2008.

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There was no 'right' way to take your statement. It's right up there with Jesse Jackson's 'Hymietown' and Al Sharpton's 'white interlopers'. You're an anti-semite, and your constant denials show that you think the rest of us are morons.

You are proof-positive of reincarnation; there's no possible way you could be this dumb, even on purpose, unless you have worked at it for centuries.

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Re: Some WTC Thoughts....

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 18:11:00 2008, in response to Re: Some WTC Thoughts...., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:08:03 2008.

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People who believe the truth:
100M+
Sound of their voices? 0db.

Peope with wackjob theorys?
~42.
Sound of their voices? 200db.

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:16:31 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 18:08:33 2008.

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? Look, I DIDN'T want to offend anyone... I didn't want to even write it because I had a feeling it would have the "anti-semite" reaction... I wrote it, however, because that is how it made me feel...or are you denying that that guy is Jewish???

I DON'T think you guys are morons... I think you guys are just leftists who are TOO JUMPY when it comes to "DISCRIMINATION"... *YOU* guys are the biased ones, here, or maybe we just think in different ways...

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Re: Some WTC Thoughts....

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:18:52 2008, in response to Re: Some WTC Thoughts...., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 18:11:00 2008.

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I understanding what you are saying... But of course those people will be loudest, they have to be, since the media takes care of the other people who believe the "truth"..they stay silent...

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 18:41:33 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:17:50 2008.

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OMG...that was a horribly bigoted statement!

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by MJF on Tue Aug 26 18:46:01 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:16:31 2008.

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Why are you injecting Larry Silverstein's religion into this discussion? It wasn't necessary and your post smacked of anti-smetism no matter how much you deny it.

If you don't learn how to express yourself better you will never be taken seriously on this board.

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 18:46:19 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:16:31 2008.

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What in the world does Larry Silverstein's religion have to do with our discussion? I merely stated that he was the PA's tenant, and that he (rightfully) collected on the policies he held (and paid premiums into) on the WTC. People do benefit from disasters, but sometimes that is how it should be. Silverstein was properly compensated for the loss of his property.

We most certainly do think in different ways. Your slur on Silverstein had no business in our discussion of the WTC collapse, and I daresay it will get the entire thread reefed.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:48:28 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 18:41:33 2008.

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That is exactly what I tried to avoid... Tell me what part of "that guy makes jews look bad" is anti-semetic.

I understand that using the actions of one person of a certain ethnicity as a basis of judgement of other members of that ethnicity is prejudice... But one must control oneself... I am delighted when negative stereotypes are contradicted by individuals...but this bastard just reinforces a bad stereotype...

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:51:09 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 18:46:19 2008.

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I agree, I probably went too far...But that guy hasn't done anything positive with the money...and go down to the WTC site...still a big hole...AND IT HAS BEEN SEVEN YEARS!!!!! AND FOR ALL THOSE SEVEN YEARS, I have seen "construcion crews" there...and nothing is accomplished, just another way to disperse the money to one's interests,I guess... corruption...

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:52:19 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:51:09 2008.

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PS: it took less than two years to build the Empire state building....

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 18:54:55 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:48:28 2008.

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The part where you suggest that "Jews look bad", plus your insinuation of a negative behavior on Silverstein's part which you attribute directly to his religion. It is reprehensible, trite and irrelevant to the topic at hand. Your bigoted phrasing is beneath an intelligent discussion of the WTC.

Referring to Silverstein as a "bastard" when he received exactly what a judge ruled he was, in fact, entitled to, is also improper.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 19:01:15 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 18:54:55 2008.

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I see your point...I guess I should think more clearly... I just have a feeling that guy isn't a good guy...


Almost seven years now...

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Aug 26 19:12:14 2008, in response to So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:58:33 2008.

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Yes extreme leftism, like the belief that the WTC was imploded by the US government.

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 19:15:15 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Aug 26 19:12:14 2008.

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No, I really do not believe that, now... I don't know what to believe when it comes to 9/11...

And that wouldn't be extreme leftism, by the way....

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Aug 26 19:17:52 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:17:50 2008.

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Aug 26 19:19:03 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 19:15:15 2008.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Easy on Tue Aug 26 20:51:17 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 06:07:15 2008.

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The blue line can get rowdy when school lets out or when a bunch of high school kids get on. Some kids can be so loud and have no regard for other people on the train.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 20:52:35 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Easy on Tue Aug 26 20:51:17 2008.

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OK..I rode at midday and again in early evening...and in summer, at that...

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Easy on Tue Aug 26 20:57:46 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:46:29 2008.

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I rode the Blue line and had no problem in the neighborhoods it goes through.

Tourists don't have as much an issue as locals. I see elderly Irish and other European ladies on the blue line fairly often. Even at night.

Also we probably have a higher percentage of Spanish speaking riders. The thing that I notice about our door closing announcement is that the doors are already closed halfway through the Spanish version. It's kind of a waste in that regard.

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Re: Betsy Head Park/Pool (was: What if Barack Loses in November?)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:37:22 2008, in response to Re: Betsy Head Park/Pool (was: What if Barack Loses in November?), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:28:46 2008.

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Sorry, as bad as it seems today, it's still better than what was there 10 years ago. No question. I didn't say it was a great area, I said it was better than 10 years ago, and certainly better than 20 years ago.

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Re: Some WTC Thoughts....

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:39:06 2008, in response to Re: Some WTC Thoughts...., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:08:03 2008.

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:47:05 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 16:54:24 2008.

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...but JSK car isn't hearing me...

He doesn't want to hear you. He wants to believe there is some conspiracy in this. Even after your EXCELLENT post on the matter, and all the rational scientific evidence (such as Popular Mechanics), he still rather believe the lunatic fringe.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:47:47 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:04:45 2008.

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"that most have declared a kook"

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:48:54 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 17:17:50 2008.

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Isn't that just special. Your hole is dug deaper and deeper the more you speak.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:52:56 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 17:29:22 2008.

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The station shell is built. It's not "not reopened" because there isn't anyplace to put the station, it's not reopened because even if the station was open, there would be no place to exit to. The station sits in the middle of the pit. it will be reopened when the new construction is done.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:56:13 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by AlM on Tue Aug 26 15:17:17 2008.

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Thank you for an interesting post. Just be aware that you are not replying to a rational person.


Very true. But then again, his time was well worth it, as the rest of us really enjoyed his post. His post of course just reinstates what the rest of us all already know (that this is not some conspiracy), but it was VERY interesting to read through. Thanks.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 21:57:49 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:47:05 2008.

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No, I agree with pretty much all of what he said...However, I am ot 100% sure...it will always have speculation...

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:58:18 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 15:52:48 2008.

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I just give evidence supporting the inside job theory

You give evidence of nothing. Nothing but a false theory that has been disproven in rational and reputible outlets.

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Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 22:41:21 2008, in response to Re: So you Guys DON'T understaand??(was WTC thoughts...), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 18:52:19 2008.

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Again, you like to cite past projects as an example of how current and future projects 'should' be done. A lot has changed in the 75+ years since the ESB was constructed.

There's also a lot of technical difficulties in restoring the site to any semblence of civilization, which if you actually paid attention to current events, instead of voluntarily demonstrating your complete ignorance, you would know.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 22:42:38 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 19:01:15 2008.

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You have a feeling...I am 100% positive that you're an asshat.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 22:51:27 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 14:41:03 2008.

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The effects of an earthquake are COMPLETELY different from a direct impact by an airliner.

Concrete doesn't burn.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 22:52:10 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 26 17:36:07 2008.

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That's stupid. We will know for sure even without anything happening!

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 22:56:20 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:52:56 2008.

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Right now, that tunnel is hanging in mid-air. My statement was close enough to reality.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 22:57:59 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 22:51:27 2008.

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I am sure it is weakened at higher temperatures..or damaged...concrete always contains water, I think...Isn't it like a hydrate?

Even rocks melt at higher temperatures, so who knows... Maybe they should build these things out of tungsten, which melts at 6,000 degrees farenheit...WTC would still be standing...FOR SURE, I bet.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 23:05:16 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 22:57:59 2008.

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WTC would still be standing...FOR SURE, I bet

It's simple physics that brought the WTC down.... You obviously didn't read JayZee's post, nor read the Popular Science article did you.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 23:14:08 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 23:05:16 2008.

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JayZee's post was regarding steel structures...not tungsten or tungsten alloy structures, I don't even know if they exist...

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 23:19:43 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 23:14:08 2008.

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Weight is weight. Physics. Gravity.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 23:46:33 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 26 22:56:20 2008.

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Perhaps, but even if it wasn't, there's still no where to exit to.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 00:51:33 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 15:46:04 2008.

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Next time press INSERT. The overwriting should stop.

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 01:47:59 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:58:18 2008.

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Where are K-Car's parents?

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 01:56:09 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:47:47 2008.

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LOL, YES!

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 01:58:57 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 17:06:01 2008.

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But insurance isn't necessarily a benefit. Billions of dollars of property were destroyed!

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Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 02:13:44 2008, in response to Re: Building Const. For Fire Service (Was: Some WTC Thoughts), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 21:52:56 2008.

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They could build a temporary station like PATH, but unlike PATH, the 1 train doesn't need a station there in order to serve Lower Manhattan.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 02:19:33 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 22:57:59 2008.

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Concrete doesn't contain water. There's a reason why they say concrete DRIES.

There would be no long-burning fire on the outside of a nuclear reactor containment building. It's outdoors and can be easily put out.

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Re: What if Barack Loses in November?

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 27 02:57:20 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 22:57:59 2008.

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Um, tungsten is a flammable metal. It'll burn long before it melts. It's also very brittle. Not to mention very heavy (I once worked in a warehouse that handled tungsten; a 120-lb bag occupies the same dimensions as a 25-lb bag of sugar), so it's not very practical as a building material, unless in alloys.

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