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Posted by JohnL on Fri Jul 4 22:18:25 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. Thanks Jeff!I’m pleased to see that you’re voting the right way, even though your reasoning is faulty. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 22:24:59 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by JohnL on Fri Jul 4 22:18:25 2008. Yeah, right!!! |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jul 4 22:28:14 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008.  I found these while looking to buy a calculator online. I'm going to have a lot of fun, but that's what I get for not following through on my google boycott. fascists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 22:36:14 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. yu0 = t3h l1b?Frankly, voting GOP has resulted in a lot of the above as well. The difference is that the Dems push it openly while the GOP sneaks it on you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 22:37:13 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by JohnL on Fri Jul 4 22:18:25 2008. I’m pleased to see that you’re voting the right wayDemocrats are right-wing? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jul 4 22:38:16 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 4 22:36:14 2008. our taxes don't go up as quick, they just triple the fee's for everything every year in the red states. While the gop-ers(pronounced gop), aren't that clean, as long as you don't boink the same sex, they typically leave you alone. I got some freedoms. And on the same day you can bring a gun to work now in Florida, you can too at the airports in Georgia!long live dixie |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 4 23:04:54 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jul 4 22:38:16 2008. But it's all those gopers who are constantly getting arrested for boinking the same sex! Wide stance? :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 01:42:17 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that the best strategy in war is defeat. It broadens the mind to learn Japanese, German and Arabic. Talk about multiculturalism!Not true, and a sad attempt at a joke. I'm voting Democrat because I'm mad that George W. Bush hasn't caught Bin Laden. That's because Bin Laden is the only Islamic terrorist in the world. Or, because Bush has run the economy into the ground and is always a step behind his EU counterparts...who are clearly trying to manipulate the dollar to hurt us even more, so long as right-wingers are in power (keep in mind that oil is traded in dollars---this doesn't hurt Europe at all). I'm voting Democrat because I believe that if I don't have enough money, the solution is for the government to take more of my money. Who needs money when gas is $5 per gallon? Or, because borrow and spend is worse than tax and spend...and you have yet to mention a service that can be cut easily without inflicting pain. If there is a service that can be cut...name it. (There are several agencies that should be consolidated, but that is besides the point.) I'm voting Democrat because I believe that the ideal family is two homosexual bonobos, a goat and a parrot raising a human baby. Love and compassion is all it takes to make a successful family! And this is completely irrelevant. A Republican failing to see this is blind. I'm voting Democrat because it's my body, and if I want to kill my baby, I'll do it, even if its head is in the birth canal. If I want to cut out my intestines and feed them to the crocodiles, I'll do that too. That's the freedom our forefathers enshrined in the Constitution. And this is a problem HOW again? Keep in mind that Republicans, if they had their way, or at least some of them, would force a victim of sexual assault who gets pregnant as a direct result of it to carry the baby to term. I'm voting Democrat because our enemies on the battlefield deserve comfy hotel rooms, Pay-Per-View, prostitutes and all the benefits of American citizenship. Wrong again. Republicans appointed the key justices who put the USA in this quandary (Kennedy was appointed by Reagan, and Souter was appointed by Bush.) I'm voting Democrat because I believe we need other countries' permission for me to turn down my thermostat. Prove this. I'm voting Democrat because I care about the real victims of crime -- criminals. Prove this again. This is only a few loonies on the Democrat side...and both sides have a few loonies on either side who do the same thing. Also, the only surprise about the Patrick O. Kennedy case was that it was that close. I'm voting Democrat because the real cure for racism includes preferential policies based on race -- particularly in presidential voting. If you believe that a black candidate ought to be qualified, as well as black, you're worse than Bull Conner. Prove this. I'm voting Democrat because everyone deserves crappy healthcare. Sure, you'll have to wait years for that life-saving cancer surgery. But it's first come, first served at the cemetery! Again, please prove this. I'm voting Democrat because I believe in minority rights (except in Muslim countries), free speech (with regard to pornography but not conservative talk radio), environmentalism (unless we're talking about Al Gore's house) and diplomacy (but never backed by the threat of military force). Again, that is factually incorrect, as the Supreme Court has already ruled on the pornography issue saying that it cannot be protected by the Constitution. Because that fact is wrong, that entire argument hits fail. I'm voting Democrat because I like the words 'hope' and 'change.' Also 'kazoo.' That's a funny word. Or, because the opposition's positions are known...and are bad for the future of the United States as a whole in the long run. Again, tax and spend >>> borrow and spend, because under borrow and spend, we are at the mercy of foreign investors and governments who can pull our strings vis a vis exports and imports. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that America's founders were rich, white, greedy xenophobes, and that America's founding principles are hogwash requiring periodic editing from an unelected group of liberal judges. Or, because the founding fathers created this system knowing (or should have known) full well what may happen. Anthony Kennedy, despite what you (wrongly) think, ruled in the Exxon, Kennedy, Boumediene, and Heller cases as the Constitution (or as the moral majority in the Kennedy case) says (or is growing to a consensus---something Alito failed to see, by saying that Coker (incorrectly) hurt debate on the death penalty for crimes not involving murder...as states had a long time to consider it, and 45 states had declined (only states that actually had their statutes struck down are relevant). Most of all, I'm voting Democrat because I like the ideas they have over in France, but I don't feel like moving there. I'll threaten to move, but I really won't. After all, I have a good job, healthcare, lower taxes, free speech and a social framework that promotes family structure. And all of it is defended by the most effective fighting force on the planet. The problem with lower taxes is that the US is HURTING itself in the long run...after all, the payment for debt service will have to come from somewhere. If only the institution of far-left values resulted in a great country. Oh, well. That won't stop me from voting Democrat, though. After all, I'm voting Democrat because thought isn't one of my strong suits. This is wrong. Reviewing both candidates, and knowing what McCain's record is on the issues, to see that McCain is good for the economy means you must be absolutely blind. If this was meant to be a joke...try again. ERROR 400: Funnay Load failed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 01:45:24 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. Just remember...the Democrats will actually let you know that taxes are going up. Republicans will find a way to sneak it in through increased user fees for vital services (and claiming that taxes went down---but while "fees" which aren't technically taxes going through the roof). Just look at Florida as Exhibit A. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 5 05:42:11 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. Some balance for those who are kapos to America's decline ... all we've had is destruction, with parrots told to repeat in "Neidermeyer fashion," ... "All is well, all is well, while emptying a clip into the bystanders." :(Sergeant Jeff ... you've already dismissed me enough times before, and so I repay your "frozen mindset" (goes for Train Tude and the rest as well for all the shit y'all continue to spout) ... while I don't completely agree with this columnist, he IS generally correct. You "neo-conservative" types need a spanking. Now I realize that YOU guys can't think independently and be ABOVE propaganda, so it's not quite YOUR fault ... but if you STILL can't hear the cluephone, then just "keep on keeping on while the GOP cancels your retirement" And yeah, look at your NYS Retirement statement this year after Al D'Amato, Paturkey and the rest looted it. And in US dollars. Yipe! But that's another story for another time ... for now, behold your legacy, you whiny-assed, lazy phucks: Cause for Alarm By BOB HERBERT Beaches, barbecues and flags as big as baseball fields. Fireworks as loud as thunder lighting the nighttime sky. Hot fun, as Sly & the Family Stone would say, in the summertime. Friday was the 232nd anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. Celebrations were ubiquitous. HBO offered a marathon telecast of its John Adams series. Bands of wildly varying quality, from one coast to the other, let loose with “The Star-Spangled Banner,” “America the Beautiful” and “The Stars and Stripes Forever.” It was a July Fourth like many others. There was nothing overt to signal anything was wrong. The Red Sox had traveled from Boston to play a weekend series against the Yankees in the Bronx. In Washington, the National Independence Day Parade made its way along Constitution Avenue. And yet, there was an undercurrent of anxiety in the land. Vacations have been curtailed because of the price of fuel. Since the holiday fell on a Friday, the monthly unemployment numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics were released a day early, on Thursday. They weren’t good. The Times summed things up with a Page 1 headline: “Outlook Darker as Jobs Are Lost and Wages Stall.” The high and the low were being buffeted. The bad news bears were loose on Wall Street, and the prospects for the summer employment of teenagers were abysmal. The national employment rate for teens in June was the lowest in 60 years. But the anxiety seems more intense than the usual concern for a cyclical economic downturn. Something fundamental seems to have gone haywire. David Boren, a former U.S. senator who is now president of the University of Oklahoma, has written a short book that he called, “A Letter to America.” His sense of alarm in the opening paragraph could not have been clearer. “The country we love is in trouble,” he said. “In truth, we are in grave danger of declining as a nation. If we do not act quickly, that decline will become dramatic.” I couldn’t agree more. The symbols of patriotism — bumper stickers and those flags the size of baseball fields — have taken the place of the hard work and sacrifice required to keep a great nation great. You know that matters have gotten out of hand when, as we learned this week, American instructors at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, gave classes on torture techniques used by the Communists to extract false testimony from American prisoners during the Korean War. Talk about defining deviancy down! As Al Gore reminds us, this is the first time in American history that “the executive branch of the government has not only condoned but actively promoted the treatment of captives in wartime that clearly involves torture, thus overturning a prohibition established by Gen. George Washington during the Revolutionary War.” There are signs galore of the nation’s turn for the worse. We are fighting a debilitating war in Iraq without any idea of how to pay for it — or how to end it. No one has any real idea about how to cope with the devastating energy crisis, or how to turn the economy around. The airline industry is a first-class mess and the knees of the General Motors colossus have buckled. Locks are being changed on foreclosed homes across the country and working families lucky enough to meet their mortgages are watching the value of their homes decline. We can build spectacular new stadiums for football and baseball teams (the Yanks, the Mets, the Giants and the Jets are all getting ready to move into staggeringly expensive new homes) but we can’t rebuild New Orleans or reconstruct the World Trade Center site destroyed almost seven years ago. This year’s presidential election is the perfect opportunity to place the truth before the American public in the form of a realistic examination of the state of the nation, and an honest consideration of creative ideas for moving forward. Instead, we’re getting hour after hour and day after day of trivia: Who’s up? Who’s down? Who’s patriotic? Who’s not? Mr. Boren believes that the combination of unrestrained partisanship and the corrosive influence of big money have all but paralyzed the political process. He worries about the neglect of the nation’s infrastructure, about the growing divide between the very wealthy and everyone else, and about “the catastrophic drop in the way the rest of the world views us.” The U.S., with its enormous economic and military power, is still better-positioned than any other country to set the standards for the 21st century. But that power and leadership potential were not granted by divine right and cannot be wasted indefinitely. Patriotism has its place. But waving a flag is never a good substitute for serious thought and rolling up one’s sleeves. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 06:14:33 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 5 05:42:11 2008. Bob Herbert?And you're the Neocon. You proved it in the "Murder" thread. You saying you need a spanking? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 10:04:22 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 01:42:17 2008. "who are clearly trying to manipulate the dollar to hurt us even more, so long as right-wingers are in power (keep in mind that oil is traded in dollars"Actually, no. But like yours, I'm not going to give a reason why you're wrong either. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 10:05:27 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 01:45:24 2008. My user fee's don't go up. I don't DUI or get tickets. Property Taxes just went down too. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 10:47:24 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 10:05:27 2008. However...vital services are being hurt...look at the cuts in transit statewide in your state. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 10:55:39 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 10:47:24 2008. Which I believe is full of bullcrap. You have houses increasing in value 200% in 5 years, increasing the tax rolls. How can you drop the house values 30% or 15%, cut services back to 1990 levels while taking in 2003 levels in tax revenues.I'm unconvinced at this fuzzy math. And it's funny you mentioned transit. I was just checking that out yesterday. gonna cut sunday Services on a really crappy sunday route by me, and 1.75 fares? I hate any fare that doesn't end in a 00 or 25. Where do you find all them quarters at? Not good when they don't have tokens or pre-pay cards or 10-20 ride cards if you're a casual rider. I was going to bus it this weekend, I don't have exact change. Hartline has 20 ride cards, PSTA doesn't. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 10:58:02 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. I'm voting Democrat so I can continue taking photos of trains.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 11:16:38 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 10:58:02 2008. with the democratic censorship going over at all of Google and it's affiliates, I don't know why they'd let trains slide. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:23:03 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 11:16:38 2008. Yeah...that's got a lot to do with what I'm talking about. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 11:41:25 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:23:03 2008. Funny me, I thought you meant censorship. I forgot my decoder ring. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:46:11 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 11:41:25 2008. I quite plainly stated "photographing" trains. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 11:51:41 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 10:55:39 2008. Hey...at least your transit agency accepts dollar bills on the buses. In NYC, Nassau, and Westchester County...no dice! |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:55:44 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:46:11 2008. Ok, I've toyed with you enough for now. I'll let you gnash your teeth and dig up more stuff to cut and paste for here while I go out to garden/railfan/dinner/dessert.:D :D your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 12:03:19 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 10:05:27 2008. But what about vehicle registration? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:54:06 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 10:58:02 2008. Why? Democrats are at the forefront of the fight to STOP you from doing so. Who runs the Port Authority? The NYPD? The MTA? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:54:25 2008, in response to Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 4 21:40:45 2008. Heh. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 12:57:45 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:54:06 2008. MTA is actually dominated with a lot of REPUBLICAN appointees still (although one seat is vacant). |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 13:01:43 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 11:51:41 2008. That's werid, but then again, you got all the different types of passes, and TRANSFERS.You know these fareboxes take credit cards? I only one of one agency that uses that feature, in the carolina's. I like Atlanta's touchless stuff. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 13:03:13 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:55:44 2008. You're railfanning? I thought they passed a law against that.According to you. Who said I "dig anything up" anyway? How long do you think it takes to read a front page headline 1 second 2 seconds? Then again, I'm fluent and literate. So I can see why you think it takes a lot of work to find 2 articles per week that i post. If you knew the stuff I don't post...lol |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat Jul 5 13:04:27 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 12:03:19 2008. I can't keep track of what that is now, but my registration is always above and beyond the standard fees.At least it's not like Georgia or Minnestoa where they tax you per vehicle value every year. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 13:07:22 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 12:57:45 2008. It's run by Democrats. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 5 13:39:42 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 13:07:22 2008. proof? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 5 13:39:58 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:54:06 2008. lol |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 5 13:41:26 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 5 11:51:41 2008. I paid for a ride on bee-line with dice just last week. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 5 13:42:17 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:55:44 2008. Having hot dogs? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 5 13:42:54 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:55:44 2008. Having hot dogs? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 13:55:41 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 5 12:54:06 2008.  damn, that's funny, and not even a mention of Homeland Security. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:08:11 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 11:23:03 2008. Hah. You fall to name-calling. You lose argument. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:09:47 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat:, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 13:55:41 2008. No he isn't, actually. Groups like the NY Communist Litigation Union only take up the cause in order to gain political power. Once they get the power they seek, they'll take away the freedoms you sought. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:22:18 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:09:47 2008. Even funnier. And you changed the name just like the childish limbots do. Next you'll tell me that the ACLU is a German organization out to defend free speech so long as it's German.No soap. I've seen and heard with my own eyes and ears how fascist the right is. Gun them down. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:23:35 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:08:11 2008. Like when you call someone a communist, hypocrite? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:26:15 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:23:35 2008. No. "Communist" is not an epithet; only those that feel guilty about upholding same try and make it out to be an epithet. You openly use epithets. There is no socioeconomic movement called "stupidism". |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:29:48 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:26:15 2008. There is no socioeconomic movement called "stupidism".There is and you are its president. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:32:07 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:29:48 2008. See? There you go again. Always dehumanizing. Go out and photograph some trains; you'll feel better, and we'll be happier for it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:34:03 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:32:07 2008. Oh c'mon, I saw your nametag.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:36:31 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:34:03 2008. And it is a socio-economic movement, too. Its proposes to make all nations on the planet our enemies and then bemoan the lack of manufacturing because no one will buy our goods and we aren't allowed to sell to those who do.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:37:59 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:36:31 2008. No. That's what the UN did, in fact. (Should we therefore call them "stupidists"?) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:39:23 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 15:37:59 2008. You already call them all kinds of names, why not. Although the US problem is homegrown.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 16:17:45 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:39:23 2008. You already call them all kinds of namesThem? and what names? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 5 16:19:19 2008, in response to Re: Why I decided to vote Democrat, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 5 15:39:23 2008. You already call them all kinds of namesThem? and what names? I use descriptive nouns. You use epithets. Although the US problem is homegrown To a degree. The UN contribution is substantial. The UN has been a failure since its inception. |
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