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Iraqi security forces deserting |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 00:57:41 2008 Link hereWe need to get out now. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:27:50 2008, in response to Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 00:57:41 2008. It's not like the NY Times to issue such an obvious panic piece whenever events contradict their world views. But I guess that the Iraqi security forces total victory over Sadr has forced them to improvise.BTW, you are a fucking moron. In case you didn't know ... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 13:40:18 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:27:50 2008. Actually...not really...BOTH of you are asshats. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 4 13:45:30 2008, in response to Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 00:57:41 2008. [[[[[ VIETNAM ]]]]]]!!!!!!!!!!! again ..... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:51:11 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 13:40:18 2008. ...said the fedora-clad donkey. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 14:38:44 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:51:11 2008. ...who has more intelligence than you do. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 4 14:42:46 2008, in response to Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 00:57:41 2008. In a way you are right. When we bombed the shit out of Iraq, I felt Saddam was defeated, and it did not make sense to risk so many American lives by sending in the troops. "Bomb the bastards until surrender" is my motto. Ground troops are a last resort, because the life of each American troop is worth more than the entire Iraqi population to me.You want out for other reasons, which are not patriotic. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 15:03:26 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 4 14:42:46 2008. Actually, the real reason why we should not be in Iraq is because being there does nothing to solve the problem...especially when it isn't there. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 4 15:04:15 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:27:50 2008. But I guess that the Iraqi security forces total victory over Sadr has forced them to improvise.That's wonderful news. I hadn't realized that the Mahdi Army had been defeated and that their vicious militias no longer controlled the majority of Basra. I'm amazed that OBS and Olog, who are so concerned about Iran's clients in Iraq, haven't been celebrating this news. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 4 15:06:31 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 4 14:42:46 2008. Ground troops are a last resort, because the life of each American troop is worth more than the entire Iraqi population to me.Wow, you're a real humanitarian! First we supposedly get rid of Saddam for the good of the downtrodden Iraqis, and then we don't give a damn how many of them kill each other in a civil war that we facilitated by destabilizing the country? Why didn't we just nuke the whole place to begin with? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 4 15:07:55 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:27:50 2008. You're no Patton either, if you think the last week's events constitute "total victory" :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 4 15:22:54 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 4 15:07:55 2008. You're no Patton either, if you think the last week's events constitute "total victory" :DThere's already been total victory? Shoot, what's McCain's campaign platform going to be now? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 15:33:01 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 4 13:27:50 2008. LOL! Your pathetic attempt to quote from a website for the deluded and mentally ill is laughable at best.Sooner or later, Muktada Al-Sadr will dictate terms because there won't be any security forces left to fight him. You should join the circus and do the trapeze act. You're guaranteed never to hurt yourself. If you fall off the wire, you're too stupid to know which way the ground is on your own. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 15:34:34 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 4 15:06:31 2008. Why didn't we nuke North Korea? At least there we'd have some defensible justification. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 15:37:07 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 4 15:22:54 2008. LOL |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 15:48:40 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 15:03:26 2008. Exactly. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 4 16:04:03 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 4 15:06:31 2008. Why didn't we just nuke the whole place to begin with?It's the oil. |
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Re: Iraqi security forces surrender to Mahdi Army |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 19:30:58 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 4 16:04:03 2008. Iraq PM Reverses Course, Freezes RaidsPublished: 4/4/08, 7:05 PM EDT By ROBERT H. REID and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA BAGHDAD (AP) - In a dramatic reversal, Iraq's prime minister ordered a nationwide freeze Friday on Iraqi raids against Shiite militants, bowing to demands by anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr only one day after promising to expand the crackdown to Baghdad. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki issued the order after al-Sadr, whose Mahdi Army militia fought government troops last week in Basra and elsewhere, hinted at retaliation if Iraqi security forces continue to arrest his followers. A statement by al-Maliki's office, broadcast on government television, did not mention the Mahdi Army by name or give a timeframe for the freeze. It said the move was designed to give a "chance to those who repented and want to lay down their arms." But the statement was issued less than 24 hours after al-Maliki told reporters he intended to launch security operations against Mahdi Army strongholds in Baghdad, including Sadr City, home to some 2.5 million Shiites and the militia's largest base. "It is not possible to look for only a military solution. There must be a political solution and that's why the prime minister issued today's statement," a top al-Maliki adviser, Sadiq al-Rikabi, told The Associated Press. "We must have calm. Many politicians advised al-Maliki against confrontation, warning him that clashes benefited other parties," al-Rikabi said without elaborating. In his Friday statement, al-Maliki said that extremists "who lay down their arms and participated in the recent acts of violence" would not be prosecuted. American military officials did not respond to requests for comment. U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker had praised al-Maliki for his decision to strike at Shiite militias last week in Basra, even as he acknowledged that the operation ran into "a boatload of problems." The clashes quickly spread throughout the Shiite south and to Baghdad, where Shiite militiamen pounded the U.S.-controlled Green Zone with rockets and mortar fire, killing at least two Americans. Major fighting eased Sunday after al-Sadr ordered his men off the street under a deal brokered in Iran - a move which appeared to undermine al-Maliki, who had taken personal command of the Basra operation. In Amman, Jordan, David Shearer, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for Iraq, said an estimated 700 people were killed and more than 1,500 were wounded in fighting that erupted after the Basra crackdown. He said the figures could rise "as facts and the numbers become more clear." U.S. and Iraqi authorities had insisted the Basra operation was not aimed at al-Sadr's powerful political movement but instead at ridding the streets of criminals and gunmen who had effectively ruled the city since 2005. But al-Sadr's supporters believed the crackdown was aimed at weakening their movement before provincial elections this fall. Al-Sadr expects to score major electoral gains against Shiite parties that work with the Americans. A member of al-Sadr's 30-member bloc in parliament, Hassan al-Rubaie, told the AP that the decision to freeze arrests was made during talks Thursday between Sadrist representatives and al-Maliki aides. Al-Rubaie said the freeze applied even in cases where an arrest warrant had been issued. He said negotiations were under way on other Sadrist demands, including the release of al-Sadr's followers detained without charge, reinstating soldiers and police who deserted during last week's fighting and the lifting of the siege of Sadr City and another Shiite neighborhood. In his latest statement, al-Maliki also said families forced to flee their homes because of the latest fighting should be allowed to return home and that cash donations would be offered to the families of those killed or wounded in the violence. He said Iraqis whose property has been damaged in the fighting also would be compensated. In Basra, military and police officials said about 900 Iraqi soldiers and police deserted or refused to fight the militias after the offensive was launched March 25. The officials said the mutiny involved an army battalion from the 4th Iraqi Division numbering about 500 men as well as about 400 policemen. Deserters said they did not want to fight fellow Shiites and turned over weapons and vehicles to the Mahdi Army, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. Iraqi officials have acknowledged desertions but described the numbers as insignificant. However, the desertions cast new doubt on the effectiveness of U.S.-trained Iraqi security forces. The White House has conditioned further U.S. troop withdrawals on the readiness of the Iraqi military and police. Despite a drop in fighting, Iraqi officials have insisted that the Basra crackdown will continue until it breaks the stronghold by armed groups. It was unclear, however, whether the freeze order might affect the plan. In a statement Friday, the U.S. military said Iraqi special forces had captured a suspected militant leader who has been rallying insurgents in Basra to fight against coalition forces. The statement said the suspect was linked the kidnapping and murder of Iraqi security troopers and had been involved in oil smuggling "and foreign fighter networks." Maj. Tom Holloway, a British military spokesman, said a roadside bomb targeted a British force "supporting an Iraqi-led operation at the very fringes of Basra." He said the British were "mentoring and monitoring" the Iraqi operation, but provided no further details. Also Friday, a suicide bomber killed at least 15 people and wounded eight when he blew himself up during a policeman's funeral in Sadiyah, a town 60 miles north of Baghdad on Friday. Police said the bomber mingled among the mourners and then triggered an explosive vest. And a roadside bombing killed four policemen and wounded one in Hillah, a mostly Shiite city about 60 miles south of Baghdad, a police spokesman said. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 4 20:04:27 2008, in response to Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 00:57:41 2008. And then what? Just leave? And if civil war breaks out on a large scale, who is going to go in to keep the peace? The good old U-S-A. We're stuck there. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 20:10:06 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 4 20:04:27 2008. "And then what? Just leave?"Ayup. "And if civil war breaks out on a large scale, who is going to go in to keep the peace?" Nobody. We let the bloodbath happen; it's happened before (recall the Baath Party takeover in the 1950s) and rgis time will be no different. They will sort things out for themselves in the process and we'll get back to some kind of equilibrium. If the Iraqis don't want to spill a lot of blood, they'll figure out a way to work it out. If they don't, the wor;d's over-populated anyway. We can retain some forces in the Kurdish area, so the fighting is limited to the Sunni Center and Shiite south. |
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Re: Iraqi security forces deserting; SOL |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 20:10:57 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Apr 4 20:10:06 2008. world, not wor;d. My bad. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Apr 4 22:43:49 2008, in response to Re: Iraqi security forces deserting, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 4 15:04:15 2008. Was it you or was it Amerioa who posted this myth, and I pointed out that Sadr is just under an Iranian Hudna.Yea, so much to celebrate. Let me go outside and fire my rifle in the air! Pfft. It's because of Iran, dumbasses. |
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