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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007 RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) — A jury Saturday convicted a black man of killing a white teen during a racially charged confrontation outside the man's home despite his claims that he feared a lynch mob had come to attack his family.Jurors found John White, 54, guilty of second-degree manslaughter in the death of Daniel Cicciaro. White faces a prison term of 5 to 15 years. He was allowed to remain free on bail until sentencing. "My son is finally vindicated," Joanne Cicciaro, the victim's mother, said afterward. "The truth prevailed. ... It was never about race. It was about individuals and individuals' actions." The ruling came on the fourth day of deliberations following an emotional three-week trial that attracted national attention after his defense attorneys invoked the nation's violent racist past in arguing the shooting was justified. White had testified he grew up hearing stories from family members about how the Ku Klux Klan torched his grandfather's business in Alabama in the 1920s and feared a similar attack was about to happen. White testified during the trial that he was trying to protect his family in 2006 when he brandished a gun after a group of angry white teenagers turned up at his house late at night to fight his son. White admitted on the witness stand that he shot Cicciaro, but that the pistol went off accidentally as Cicciaro grabbed for it. Cicciaro, 17, had a blood-alcohol reading above the legal limit for driving. Prosecutor James Chalifoux said White should have simply locked the door and called police — and not gone outside to confront the teenagers with a gun. He sought to downplay the racial element, telling jurors the Brooklyn-raised White never said anything about a lynch mob until the case went to trial, and noted that the Klan attack on his grandfather occurred 30 years before he was born. The confrontation came after his son, Aaron, was asked to leave a beer bash at a friend's house. A female guest had complained about a bogus MySpace posting claiming Aaron White wanted to rape her. He denied making the threat but left the party. Cicciaro and his friends then called the teenager on his cell phone to continue the dispute, allegedly making threats that culminated when they arrived at the White home shortly after 11 p.m. Jurors also found White guilty of criminal possession of a weapon. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 22 23:46:09 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. I agree that he should have called the police and showed more restraint.Daniel Cicciaro's behavior was classic violent white racist dirtbag, but the best way to handle Cicciaro would have been in the Suffolk County Jail facing charges. I personally believe Cicciaro's personal attitude choices contributed to his death, but I also think White's choice of action was wrong too. Now, if Ciciaro had tried to break into his house or displayed a weapon, then all bets are off. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 22 23:46:43 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 22 23:46:09 2007. personal attitude and choices, my bad typing. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 00:49:43 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. Racism in America is still alive. It was clearly an act of self defense. Now a decent man who never had a criminal record is going to jail. The family will lose their million dollar house and their lives are ruined. All because some skinhead started a rumor. This is pure bullshit. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 00:50:56 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 00:49:43 2007. The house cost a million dollars? |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Dec 23 00:51:15 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 22 23:46:09 2007. I totally share this opinion.A tragic and sad conclusion...no winners on either side. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 01:06:57 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Dec 23 00:51:15 2007. Hopefully that fucking racist bastard prosecutor burns in hell. I don't know how he can sleep at night. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 01:49:53 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. Im not even going to say my feelings about this "so-called" justice...My white should have called the cops... That kid should not have gotten close to his house now there is one less jerk in the world.. Even trade off... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 02:00:27 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 01:49:53 2007. "My white..."? That's funny. |
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Posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:09:13 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. Teenage bravado fueled by alcohol, not racism. I'd bet you a million dollars that if Aaron White were white and this bogus rape threat still happened, there would have still been a confrontation of sorts.This story fails to mention facts such as: - The race card was not pulled during the grand testimony - The defendants only started the "lynch mob" and "racism" claims during the trial. - The defendants were followed by an entourage of the Nation of Islam - how was that going to help them? I've been following this story since day one - although Newsday has the most reporting, it quite inconsistent. NY Post is even worse. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 02:17:55 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:09:13 2007. If Aaron White was white then there would've never been a false rape threat. Only someone that is incredibly naive wouldn't believe that race played a role both in the confrontation and the outcome of the trial. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 02:20:38 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:09:13 2007. I'm sorry, Amanda, but I don't agree. Alcohol did play a part, yes. No doubt there. But racism did too. The alcohol disinhibited Ccciaro and allowed him to express his racism in terms of threats of violence. |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Sun Dec 23 02:33:29 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. The news about this came out at night...I shudder to think what's going to happen at sunrise when people start waking up to the news.One thing's for certain: This may not be a very merry Christmas (or a Happy New Year) for Riverhead...not after the inevitable fallout from this trial (and the appeal that everyone knows is going to come.) |
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Posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:46:47 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 02:17:55 2007. It was Aaron's FRIEND who made the bogus MySpace page with the rape threat.Racism or no racism - the outcome would have been the same, in my opinion. John White should have stayed in the house and called the cops. He was wrong. The kids weren't beating down his door - there is no justification for bringing out two guns (him and his son) against unarmed kids. It's sad that both the Cicciaro and White families are losing someone - one to death, and one to jail. Racism in America is still alive. It was clearly an act of self defense. Now a decent man who never had a criminal record is going to jail. The family will lose their million dollar house and their lives are ruined. All because some skinhead started a rumor. This is pure bullshit. Decent man? Do you know White? Can you personally vouch for this? And where did any skinheads come into play? You know, skinheads are not the only people who call someone a nigger. I've seen black people calling each other niggers. I've seen white people calling each other niggers. It's become a sick term of endearment, in a way. Even Aaron White used the term a few times himself, which was noted in the trial. Both parties made bad choices that night - but it still does not excuse White for what he did. He should have called the cops, and Cicciaro punished accordingly. Now one's going to jail and one's dead. How's that for an alternative? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 23 02:48:54 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:46:47 2007. Look who you are replying to... |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Dec 23 02:49:14 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 01:06:57 2007. 'I don't know how he can sleep at night.'with his eyes closed! easily! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 23 02:50:21 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 01:06:57 2007. your opinions are odd. do you feel alright? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 23 02:50:58 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 00:49:43 2007. skinheads? self-defense? what world do you live in? |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Dec 23 02:52:21 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 23 02:50:21 2007. 'do you feel alright? 'he should, except for his left side.. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:08:10 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 02:20:38 2007. Alcohol. Machismo. Ego. They all played a role in this.Once again, if the roles were reversed, and a white man shot an unarmed black teen under these circumstances, blacks would be outraged. There would be protests, and we'd see Al Sharpton on the news every night. Black leaders would say that the kids were just there to talk, were UNARMED, and that the white guy should've called the cops. Black leaders would say, "He didn't have to shoot, the kid was unarmed", and, "He should've called the police". Honestly, I think Mr. White had every reason to get his gun out while confronting the group. Two cars pulling up to the house at night for a confrontation can be intimidating. And by the way, if this was a white man shooting a white teenager under the same circumstances, I still think a Long Island jury would've convicted him. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 03:13:07 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:08:10 2007. I'm not disagreeing with you on most of your points. I think that a 911 call to the Suffolk police would likely have saved Cicciaro's life and put him in prison instead of White. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:16:51 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:46:47 2007. Blacks call each other, "Nigga", not "Nigger". It's a way for young black males to bond according to some experts.White had every right to arm himself and confront the group. They weren't there to mow his lawn. Why should he back down from a group that might have intended to inflict pain on his son? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:23:29 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 23 02:50:58 2007. Cicciaro armed himself in numbers. His intentions were to confront the young White, but not in a one-on-one situation. That implies threat of bodily harm.If the participants were all white, the father would be dubbed a vigilante or something like that. If all blacks were involved, this would be dubbed black-on-black violence. But it's an interracial incident, and that sells newspapers. |
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Posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 03:28:18 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:16:51 2007. His son pretty much gave Cicciaro an invitation by giving him the address. If he was so afraid, then why give out the address? And why didn't Aaron stay in the house, as well?As the adult in the situation, John could have very well kept Aaron in the house while he called the cops. It seems to me that Cicciaro wasn't the only one looking for a fight that night. The group was on the driveway. Not the house. If the Whites stayed in the house and the teenagers tried breaking and entering, that's a different story. He shouldn't have gone out there to confront them. As I said, everyone made a bad choice that night. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:30:17 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 03:13:07 2007. It's like the Fat Nick fiasco in Howard Beach. Fat Nick stabbed another white kid from nearby Broad Channel, and it never made headlines. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 23 03:43:18 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. I was going to leave this one alone as a result of so many implications and attitudes ... but I've been in a similar situation myself though fortunately UPSTATE where shooting a trespasser is no problem so long as you do it PROPERLY. :(Intercourse the "racism" ... plain and simple, there was trespass and that would normally change things, but only to a rather poor degree given the outcome. What *I* was taught by the sheriff was plain and simple ... and MY attacker was WHITE ... AND my LANDLORD! (WHY are so many landlords insane? Oh yeah, they believed "get rich in real estate, nevermind") ... if there's TRESPASS, call the cops. They'll remove them from your property no charge. Heh. Use of LETHAL force however requires that they actually ENTER your domicile ... FORCEFUL entry is what makes *ALL* the difference in the world. If they break your window and climb in, if they kick your door down or otherwise perform a "break-in" in the course of trespassing (even RENTERS have this "quiet enjoyment" in their favor) then the rules completely change ***IF*** you are "in fear of your life" . I was told (and they WANTED my landlord to go down one way or another) was ... be SURE there's a stain INSIDE and if they manage to try to get away, DRAG the carcass back INSIDE the apartment/home/whatever and THEN call us ... IF we find the carcass INSIDE, you're OK. Never forgot that lesson, and of course it makes a difference that I live WAY upstate where everybody knows this rule and doesn't get stupid about it. Black, white, green, blue ... UNjustified if the shooter was OUTSIDE their home when it all went down. Shoulda called the cops upon trespass, and if anybody actually ENTERED the domicile, there would have been NO questions with a dead ofay lying in the hallway in a pool of blood. :( KNOW the law, and don't be stupid! :( |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 23 04:23:16 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 01:06:57 2007. The prosecutor did his job, however...don't blame him. Blame the Blackout Gang, if anyone.You need to grow two things. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 23 04:44:05 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:08:10 2007. See my other post ... even out here in the sticks, you do *NOT* have the legal right to confront trespassers on your property with a lethal weapon in the FIRST place ... doesn't MATTER who's who. The LAW protects your HOME, not your land. Trespassing is illegal, and you call the COPS to remove them. ONLY when they actually perform a "home invasion" do the rules change ... once they're INSIDE!I don't see any racist angles to this at all, other than the unfortunate unawareness of the LAW to the poor bastard who made the wrong move in the first place by bringing their gun outside. You *DON'T* do that, because even if it occurs on YOUR property, it is STILL "menacing." And since LI is part of downstate, there's probably also "gun qwap" as far as even SHOWING a piece "outside." :( There is no legal downside to "fear for my life and well-being" ... that is often the "escalation factor" under law ... but it's important to prevent something like this to ever happen again that anyone in such a situation understand that you are NOT in "lethal response" realm UNTIL they actually perform a "home invasion" ... and as I said in the other response, their carcass had BETTER be INSIDE your home when the cops arrive ... whatever happens once that's satisfied usually won't even result in more than a morning before the grand jury explaining WHY you had no choice but to pop them. THIS episode is *damned* sad ... because despite all the psychological realities of what the "perp" felt that made it OK to do it, they completely failed to understand the threshold, and the LAW. That's ONE particular thing I appreciated about the Panthers in the 60's ... they TAUGHT people the LAW! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 07:41:12 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 02:00:27 2007. LOLI meant "Mr" White.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 07:50:09 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 03:28:18 2007. His son pretty much gave Cicciaro an invitation by giving him the address.Its called "come get me punk if you are bad enough" Thats how these kids are these days i guess you didnt know that... If he was so afraid, then why give out the address? He wasnt... And why didn't Aaron stay in the house, as well? Thats your opinion he should have but again you dont live there right? As the adult in the situation, John could have very well kept Aaron in the house while he called the cops. It seems to me that Cicciaro wasn't the only one looking for a fight that night. See first response, niether kid was right in this situation and that kid SHOULD NOT HAVE WALKED UP TO A GUY WITH A GUN i could care less what the dead kids parents cry or say one less jerk in the world.. The group was on the driveway. Not the house. If the Whites stayed in the house and the teenagers tried breaking and entering, that's a different story. He shouldn't have gone out there to confront them. As I said, everyone made a bad choice that night. Sorry lady i dont know what WORLD you live in but if a group of PUNKS is on MY PROPERTY,and the drive way is YOUR PROPERTY wheather you know it or not.. I'm YELLING on my Porch "GET THE HELL OFF MY PROPERTY OR IM CALLING THE COPS!!!!" I dont think i will arm myself though.. Unless i seen one of them packing... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 07:56:08 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 23 04:44:05 2007. Kevin like i said before im telling them (more like yelling) to get the hell off my porterty or im calling the cops..Tha kid should have never walked up to a person holding a gun dumb and fatal mistake... Mr White should have kept his dumb kid inside the house and called the cops, then he would hve seen how fast those punks would have scattered if they seen the cops coming.. He tought he was "tough" beacuse he had his boys with him well see how "acting tough" and being "tough" the difference can sometimes get you killed? I wont lose sleep over another jerk gone... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 07:57:11 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 23 02:50:58 2007. skinheads? self-defense? what world do you live in?The REAL ONE,like i do... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 23 10:27:49 2007, in response to John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 22 23:29:44 2007. And this is where I really hope for comeuppance against the kids who provoked this. This should absolutely be appealed...and this is one case where the members of the Blackout Gang should have a Michelle Malkin done on them...addresses made public, for all to protest at.Now, talk about trying to put one over on a Saturday night. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 23 10:35:54 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:08:10 2007. However, I do believe that the jury rushed a verdict...and this issue should be raised on appeal.Now, this is one case where these kids should have their names dragged through the muck...and I mean, make the kids' lives a living hell, with protests wherever they go, with White being made a cause celebre for what is wrong with Suffolk County. Knowledge of where the other members who were involved in the confrontation could be found simply by doing a Facebook search...or going through records avaialbe at the Brookhaven Town Hall. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:12:32 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 23 10:27:49 2007. Why? The jury didn't accept the fact that the "kids" in question provoked this. Perhaps Mr. White is a racist himself. You are assuming as fact that the jury (who heard more evidence than any of us have) rejected completely. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:13:02 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 23 10:27:49 2007. Why? The jury didn't accept the fact that the "kids" in question provoked this. Perhaps Mr. White is a racist himself. You are assuming as fact something the jury (who heard more evidence than any of us have) rejected completely. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:15:33 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 23 10:35:54 2007. There's no basis for an appeal, unless there's direct evidence that the judge specifically instructed the jury to "get a verdict before Christmas". The OJ Simpson jury admittedly rushed their verdict so that they could end their 9 month sequestration. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:17:41 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 00:49:43 2007. It was clearly an act of self defense. That's obviously not true. The jury would have convicted quickly if it were. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:18:47 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Amanda on Sun Dec 23 02:09:13 2007. You're dead on with everything here. I didn't even hear of this case until AFTER the trial started. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:20:51 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 02:17:55 2007. I agree race played a role during the trial. Specifically, it was used as an emotional defense to mitigate a clearly unjustifiable use of a gun. The jury didn't buy it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:25:52 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 03:16:51 2007. White had every right to arm himself and confront the group. No, he didn't. - When was the last time a black man was lynched in Suffolk County? - What threat did these unarmed kids present? - Why were the cops called after the shooting? Even if we were to accept the fact that Mr. White thought he was about to be overrun by a racist mob, that fear is totally unjustified. It's 2007, not 1957. It's Suffolk County, not Birmingham Alabama. The only verifiable racist here is Mr. White himself. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:29:22 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Sun Dec 23 07:50:09 2007. I'm YELLING on my Porch "GET THE HELL OFF MY PROPERTY OR IM CALLING THE COPS!!!!" This we all agree on. If White had done this, instead of opening fire, none of us would be discussing this tragedy, and a young man would be alive today. Make no mistake, those of us who are arguing that the verdict was justified are NOT defending the actions of the white kids in question. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:31:10 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Dec 23 02:20:38 2007. You're not allowed to kill someone if they call you a nigger. Violence justifies a deadly act of self defense, not words. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 11:45:21 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:25:52 2007. I'm saying he had the right to arm himself based on the following:- IT'S HIS PROPERTY - A group of more than two coming to confront his son is a lethal weapon in-and-of itself |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:51:41 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 23 11:45:21 2007. - IT'S HIS PROPERTY Yes it is. He should have called the cops. - A group of more than two coming to confront his son is a lethal weapon in-and-of itself Legally, no. The only lethal weapon here was in the hands of Mr. White. Too much emotion here, not enough rational thought ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:58:41 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Dec 22 23:46:09 2007. Daniel Cicciaro's behavior was classic violent white racist dirtbag, There was no evidence given which established that. It's your own personal opinion. What CAN be established was that Cicciaro was drunk...and that White killed him. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:59:33 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Dec 23 00:51:15 2007. What opinion? That Cicciaro was a racist? Where's the evidence? Why should it even matter? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 12:00:44 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 01:06:57 2007. He'll sleep comfortably, knowing he did his job in convicting a murderer. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 23 12:32:39 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 23 11:59:33 2007. That Cicciaro was a racist? Where's the evidence?"Daniel and several friends had left a party and showed up Mr. White’s house just after 11 p.m. to challenge his son Aaron, then 19, to a fight, and had used threats, profanities and racial epithets." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/nyregion/23trial.html Why should it even matter? There you are correct. NY State does not permit the death penalty for racism. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 23 12:33:28 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 01:06:57 2007. A prosecutor's job is to get a conviction just as the defense attorney's job is to get an aquittal. He did his job. That's why I was one of the very few who didn't think the prosecutor in the Duke rape case did anything wrong. |
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