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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 12 00:09:50 2026, in response to I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 11 23:25:49 2026. It's close to an 80/20 issue. AI data centers are noisy, ugly, drive up electricity prices, and create pollution. Can't just brush all that off. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 12 01:22:38 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 12 00:09:50 2026. Oh sure, believe the Beobachter Slimes who published this cartoon and had to back off and apologize. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Aug 12 07:13:23 2026, in response to I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 11 23:25:49 2026. Did ChatGBT write this? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 12 08:32:05 2026, in response to I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 11 23:25:49 2026. chatgpt is mid. Grok with agents will do anything. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 08:41:50 2026, in response to I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 11 23:25:49 2026. So why can't AI data centers use solar power and batteries? Why do they have to contribute in a significant way to global warming by using fossil fuels for their power?Also, I still find basic Google AI (and my work AI as well) to be extremely unreliable on topics about which I know a lot. I do agree though that if I have a random question, it often gives a credible answer and the references I need to validate that it isn't hallucinating. By the way, Google AI still doesn't know the correct answer to: Is there any place in the NYC subway system where there are 4 levels of tracks stacked directly above each other? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 11:20:21 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 12 00:09:50 2026. So do factories, mills and power plants. Those are all important parts of industrial society. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 11:21:57 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Aug 12 07:13:23 2026. No. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 11:32:47 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 08:41:50 2026. Electricity is electricity, so it doesn’t matter who uses what. Solar power and batteries can be used for more things, including data centers, but data centers have nothing to do with the methods we use to generate power, other than the fact that we need to use more inorganic energy for all purposes.I fed your exact question into ChatGPT. I read through the whole thing and I think this paragraph is a correct answer: And there may be an even crazier answer to what I suspect you’re getting at: places where four or more individual rail lines/tunnels cross in vertical succession, even though they aren’t all part of one station. Around Lexington Avenue in the 50s/60s, for example, the Lexington Avenue local and express tracks themselves occupy different depths, and other lines pass beneath/between them. Lexington–63rd’s F/Q platforms are themselves stacked, roughly 140 and 155 feet below the street.ChatGPT is a time saver when it comes to those things anyway as sometimes you need to take things written in one format and convert them to another, which is something I previously found tedious. It is middling when it comes to research. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 12:44:30 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 11:32:47 2026. Electricity is electricity, so it doesn’t matter who uses whatBut the AI data centers are a massive use of And I see, ChatGPT did much better than Google AI. Though the answer, Lex/63, isn't "crazy" at all. Nothing in the question mentioned the need for the tracks to be part of one station. And even they didn't think of 14/6, though that answer is slightly hoky and does involve PATH. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 12:51:48 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 11:32:47 2026. Here's another one that Google AI gets somewhat wrong.If an ex-spouse is awarded a portion of a pension in a Qualified Domestic Relations Order, can he or she receive that pension in the form of a joint and survivor annuity with a new spouse? Google answers "Generally, no." The actual answer is a simple "No." It's contrary to the Internal Revenue Code. How does ChatGPT do on that question? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 13:06:17 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 12:44:30 2026. Data center locations aren’t chosen with the goal of screwing over Luddite neighbors, they have to balance the availability of electricity, cooling, and labor. They don’t want to build them in the desert because then the maintenance employees (even though there aren’t that many) would have to be specially housed and paid a premium to choose to live in the middle of nowhere as opposed to New York or San Francisco.It actually did think of 14/6, and it was mentioned in the preceding paragraph: Similarly, 14th Street–Sixth Avenue effectively has three track elevations: PATH/IND infrastructure and the L arranged at different depths, although the geometry is more complicated than a neat four-story stack. A discussion specifically asking about four-level subway stations reached essentially the same conclusion.This was followed by a citation to Reddit, which gets to what so-called AI actually is: it’s an advanced mimicry machine, it’s not intelligent and incapable of original thought, it’s basically autocomplete on steroids. This is still extremely useful and it probably called Lexington/63 a crazy answer because someone else on Reddit or elsewhere called it crazy in a different context. The fact that AI isn’t actually intelligent and requires original information generated by people is the reason that the fear that “AI” will tkkk r jrbs is overblown. I do however see it as a problem for entry level white collar positions where there will no longer be a need for them, so who will have the experience for the still useful higher level positions? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 13:12:28 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 12:51:48 2026. It also says “generally, no” but includes an explanation that ultimately says no. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 12 15:52:51 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 13:06:17 2026. Similarly, 14th Street–Sixth Avenue effectively has three track elevations: PATH/IND infrastructure and the L arranged at different depths, although the geometry is more complicated than a neat four-story stack. A discussion specifically asking about four-level subway stations reached essentially the same conclusion.Actually, 14/6 is on 4 different levels. PATH is one level down. F/M is two levels down, though not directly under the PATH. PATH is in the express track alignment and F/M is in the local track alignment. Then L is 3 levels down and B/D is 4 levels down. it’s an advanced mimicry machine Good description. Helpful if used appropriately but not if relied on without verification. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 13 09:29:17 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 12 11:20:21 2026. Why add to it? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 13 11:43:37 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 13 09:29:17 2026. Well-regulated industrial society is good for all of us. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Aug 13 12:35:42 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 13 11:43:37 2026. I hope that The Squad adds more well-regulations. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 14 02:48:44 2026, in response to Re: I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 13 11:43:37 2026. At the expense of the Earth? |
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