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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025 After almost 35 years of Delta Air Lines will be ending service from JFK to Brussels. It will be increasing the frequency of its Brussels flights from Atlanta “to better align with customer demand.” That’s corporate babble which is a polite way of saying that Atlanta is a dynamic city with a magnificent future before it, while NYC wallows in self pity while desperately clutching onto past glories Norma Desmond-style. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 13 01:50:15 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. Atlanta is their hub airport so it makes sense.Yeah, travel patterns are always changing. I think you should take a trip to Italy. See the Collosseum. Ride the Rome Metro. Then go to Calabria and go swimming in the Mediterranean. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:55:05 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 13 01:50:15 2025. I was in Rome, some years back. It was interesting but really touristy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Sep 13 02:55:47 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:55:05 2025. Did you ride the Rome Metro?Did you visit other cities? Do you speak any Italian? My ancestry is Calabrian and Barese. The Calabrian explains a lot. |
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Posted by trains61 on Sat Sep 13 03:52:43 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. Or, maybe Delta has a substantial hub in Boston, filling empty seats with connecting traffic/passengers there. JFK is mostly originating traffic hub and the bean counters decided they weren't making a profit or filling enough seats to sustain that route.The Lurkers' Guild Delta ain't ready when you are/Fly Delta Jets on cortelyounext recommendation |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Sep 13 06:55:25 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. I'm sorry but there's a lot being left out here.Even just since Covid check out how many JFK nonstops to Europe have been added, especially with JetBlue. Delta found places it wanted to go (nonstop from JFK at least) instead of Brussels. The new flight from JFK to Catania is more helpful than the old flight to Brussels since Brussels can be accessed in 2 hours by train from either Amsterdam or Paris. Catania does not have that same access. Delta also took away its JFK-Munich flight last year but goes daily to Berlin since May 2023. After a while you have to decide to rely on your reliable multiple-daily corridors to provide smooth connections (perhaps through partner airlines) to very specific, lower-demand locations. (And of course Brussels and Munich are still available non-stop with European-based airlines). ATL is a hub. It's feeding multiple cities' passengers onto one plane out to Europe. They can draw easier from Florida, Texas, etc. ATL is like JFK/LGA put into one with one airline practically running the show. They have the space and topography to have 5 parallel runways at one airport. NY has other things going on. Obviously I wish NYC could have every airline offering nonstops everywhere but you'd need practically unlimited airport capacity. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 13 07:58:30 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. Do you really not understand why ATL is such an effective hub, or are you just pretending not to? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Sep 13 08:27:09 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. Cities rise and cities fall. At the hands of the people who elected bill diblasio, alvin scumbragg, and dinkins II Adams, nyc is in a death spiral. But i don't see salvation for Atlanta either. They've elected phoney fani willis and the lovely stacey abrams. Soon the writing will be on the wall for atlanta, st. Louis, baltimore, chicago, memphis and the rest. Leftism is the embodiment of the true trojan horse. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 13 08:52:26 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. BullshitSo this service began in 1990? Big deal. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Sep 13 08:55:28 2025, in response to Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 01:39:21 2025. Or maybe New York isn’t the center of the universe and Delta can get higher yields through Atlanta because the O&D demand from New York isn’t there especially with alliance with Air France and KLM people can take the train.Atlanta also allows for less weather/volume related misconnections and for most Delta flyers does not substantially impact flight times. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 09:13:45 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Sep 13 08:27:09 2025. Atlanta itself has a great deal of poverty and crime but it’s a relatively small part of the metro area. Some of the suburbs are excellent, |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 09:15:56 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Sep 13 06:55:25 2025. That makes sense, but the service to Brussels is not a new route that hasn’t worked out. It’s been around since 1991. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Sep 13 09:18:41 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Sep 13 08:55:28 2025. If LGA and JFK were the same airport (or if there was a super-seamless link between them to the extent that both airports could be used on one itinerary), it would be different. Delta, especially with the market share they have now, would probably run a lot more passenger connections through New York, saving passengers time and mileage. But as it stands now, even I wouldn't dare bet on any reliability making a connection between JFK/LGA/EWR. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Sep 13 09:29:36 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 09:15:56 2025. FWIW, I took the flight in question (JFK to Brussels) once for leisure purposes. But how did I get back home a week later? A KLM flight out of Amsterdam. On the same itinerary. Because in Brussels on vacation, it's almost silly to not to visit (usually fully switch to) some other major city eventually.While having breakfast in Brussels, you can usually -- there on the spot -- choose whether you want to have lunch in London, Paris, Amsterdam, or even Cologne and use only trains. My point for the purposes of this thread is that at least for leisure travelers, a flight out to Brussels does not necessarily mean a return from there (it's less likely than say Catania or some of the other places that are not close to other cities), and I wonder if that also has something to do with the decision. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Sep 13 09:29:43 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 09:13:45 2025. Cancers brgin as small spots and grow . |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 10:49:09 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Sep 13 09:29:43 2025. Urban troubles in Atlanta do not have much effect on most residents of the metro area. Chances are they live in one high quality suburb and work in another, rarely venturing into the city itself. If they do work downtown they drive into work and park in secure employee lots of garages. They might venture into the busy, well-policed downtown streets at lunch but don't venture into the bad areas or use transit. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Sep 13 11:02:38 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 10:49:09 2025. Tjat sounds like the NY City of the 1970s |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 13 11:12:17 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sat Sep 13 08:27:09 2025. Unfortunately, I agree. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 13 11:13:54 2025, in response to Re: Another aviation example of New York’s decline, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Sep 13 09:13:45 2025. Yeah, because NYC doesn't have any wealthy suburbs 🙄 |
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