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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 11:49:29 2025

I am sure you agree with what Israel is doing to Iran, (at least I hope you are). But what is your opinion on American involvement. I have no problem with America supplying Israel with arms, but I am against sending American troops there.

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Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 12:10:56 2025, in response to Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 11:49:29 2025.

we should supply them with arms as soon as they acknowledge the USS Liberty.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 17 12:17:36 2025, in response to Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 11:49:29 2025.

There's no way I can synthesize my thoughts into anything coherent for consumption here, but I'll try.

1. Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons, period.

2. I'm inclined to believe the current operation is because Israeli intelligence believes Iran is extremely close to a major milestone in their nuclear development program, but Bibi also has political reasons for prolonging the Gaza war or creating new fronts in order to keep his coalition together and himself out of jail.

3. Trump has made the US somewhat irrelevant in what is going on right now. Bibi's political acumen is stronger than most world leaders', and despite what Trump and MAGA might believe, he isn't brilliant and he isn't "leading" right now on this particular issue. As it is, Trump made things worse by ditching Obama's Iran deal (which I opposed when it was signed, but abandoning it afterwards was idiotic), then trying to negotiate an almost identical agreement now, only to have that plan derailed by Israel. This can be yet another example of how Trump is damaging the reputation of the US in ways that may take generations to fix.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 17 12:21:49 2025, in response to Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 11:49:29 2025.

But what about using the US Air Force to help bomb Iran? I agree with no ground invasion.

We did this in Libya and Gaddaffi got what he deserved in Sirte.

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Posted by subfan on Tue Jun 17 12:47:04 2025, in response to Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 11:49:29 2025.

There's no need for the US to send ground forces - but involvement by the USAF may be necessary. Given the IAF's destruction of Iran's air defenses, there should be little direct risk - and the Iranians are a bit too busy now to do much against US ground forces in the region.

subfan

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:30:51 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 17 12:17:36 2025.

Thank you for responding.


1. I agree. Period.


2. The was with gaza should and been over and won by Israel in 2 weeks.


3. So you were against the deal, before you were for it. You do agree that the United States should not send any troops?



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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:31:40 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 12:10:56 2025.

Salaam is right about you. You are a nazi.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:32:00 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 17 12:21:49 2025.

Maybe.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:33:28 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:31:40 2025.

believe it or not, the US does not exist solely to serve israel.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:35:35 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:33:28 2025.

No shit.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:37:48 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:35:35 2025.

USS Liberty, lavon affair, jonathan pollard...if they're our "allies", i'd hate to see our enemies!

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 17 13:45:17 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 17 12:17:36 2025.

#1 wrong! I say if they want a nuclear weapon so badly, then you give them one. Preferably detonated above Tehran.

#2 wrong

#3 wrong! Obama scheme gave iran cash and a 10 year window to develope nuclear weapons.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 17 13:47:09 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:30:51 2025.

I was against the deal before it was signed. When evaluating whether or not I am in favor of trashing it 3ish years later, I can only do so based on the reality of the time, at which point the deal is in effect.

I really haven't thought about whether US troops should get involved at all.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:47:18 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:33:28 2025.



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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:48:08 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 17 13:47:09 2025.

OK fair enough. I disagree.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:48:36 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 17 13:45:17 2025.

Excellent post.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:48:57 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:37:48 2025.

Our?

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:59:01 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 13:48:57 2025.

do you even see yourself as an american?

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:00:02 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:59:01 2025.

A Jewish American. Got a problem with that?

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:02:25 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:00:02 2025.

you deliberately put american last in that phrase.

of course. of course.

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Salaam You Are Right

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:13:10 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:02:25 2025.

rkba is a nazi.

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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:15:41 2025, in response to Salaam You Are Right, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:13:10 2025.

you're just salty that I pointed out that your precious israel isn't as innocent as you've been shamed into believing.

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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:17:32 2025, in response to Re: Salaam You Are Right, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:15:41 2025.

Racist Jew hating anti Semite.

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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:18:23 2025, in response to Re: Salaam You Are Right, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:17:32 2025.

see, he's gone into full autistic meltdown mode. he cannot comprehend that other people don't buy the bullshit.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 17 15:21:30 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:37:48 2025.

Hate to see our enemies?

Here's a listing. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-enemy-countries

You just hate Jews. No worries, that's your right. At least you're honest about it, unlike Barack Obama. You'll just end up in the cesspool of history along with every other Jew-hater who ever came down the pike. That's not my opinion, that is history.

Enjoy your hate-filled life, knowing that nothing you do or say will have any consequence.



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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 15:28:50 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 17 15:21:30 2025.

I know your friends at the ADL told you otherwise, but it's perfectly reasonable to point out how israel has fucked up.

it's up to you at this point to accept reality.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 17 15:34:36 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 15:28:50 2025.

I am not going to try to defend Israel because someone like you will not accept any defense. You just want to hate and will look for any grounds, no matter how flimsy or tenuous, to do so.

As for your comment about "hating to see our enemies", I hope you have learned a little something about political realities. But I'm guessing you won't, because you can't. Jews live rent-free in your head. You will go to your grave and be buried with your hate and will be forgotten. The Jews will go on.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 15:36:33 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 17 15:34:36 2025.

you won't try because you know it's an indefensible position. you're also such a retard that you just default to crying about people hating jews.

mitch, you're an absolute schmuck.

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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 15:59:01 2025, in response to Salaam You Are Right, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 14:13:10 2025.



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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 15:59:13 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 12:10:56 2025.



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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jun 17 16:16:01 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:37:48 2025.

Fuck you!

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 17 16:24:40 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jun 17 16:16:01 2025.

IAWTFU.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 17 16:29:03 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 17 16:24:40 2025.

IAAWTLFU

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 17:49:03 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 13:33:28 2025.

Don't post Stormfront nonsequiturs here. Merely having interests that align with Israel's, not to mention being Israel's ally, does not equate to being Israel's servant.

You should have a problem with us actually being Red China's servant in tons of ways.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 17:50:07 2025, in response to Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 11:49:29 2025.

Why are you afraid of sending US troops there? Do you think Trump will order them to fight in the same way Bush or Obama did, i.e. without a plan for victory?

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 17 17:59:00 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 17:50:07 2025.

I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times. Foreign aid hurts Israel more than it helps

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 18:07:19 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 17 17:59:00 2025.

Since when have we ever sent troops in Israel's aid?

Iran has declared repeatedly that the USA is their number-one enemy. We should have never avoided confronting them on that score, ever; it makes us look like a paper tiger.

Like George Washington said in his Fifth Annual Address to Congress:

I cannot recommend to your notice measures for the fulfillment of our duties to the rest of the world without again pressing upon you the necessity of placing ourselves in a condition of complete defense and of exacting from them the fulfillment of their duties toward us. The United States ought not to indulge a persuasion that, contrary to the order of human events, they will forever keep at a distance those painful appeals to arms with which the history of every other nation abounds. There is a rank due to the United States among nations which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. …
Sorry, but that is the only path to national safety for the USA itself, never mind its allies.

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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 18:13:33 2025, in response to Re: Salaam You Are Right, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 17 15:59:01 2025.

Ridiculous Krappy BS Artist is so sad that his terrorist allies are going down in flames.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 17 18:32:50 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 18:07:19 2025.

As I said, grant them their wish. One nuke well placed and then see if they want another.



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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 17 19:36:35 2025, in response to Re: Salaam You Are Right, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:18:23 2025.

And according to Omar who is a sitting congressperson, the US is the worst country in the world.

So naaah

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Re: Salaam You Are Right

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 19:36:38 2025, in response to Re: Salaam You Are Right, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 14:18:23 2025.

Dude; you're done. Just walk away.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 19:46:14 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by rkba on Tue Jun 17 15:36:33 2025.

You're not proving him wrong. And you've already fallen to insults, which marks you as a left-winger.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 17 20:12:47 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 19:46:14 2025.

Lol

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 17 20:21:55 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 19:46:14 2025.

LOL. He's one of the most right wing people who posts here.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 17 20:32:50 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 19:46:14 2025.



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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 22:21:14 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jun 17 18:32:50 2025.

Definitely not opposed to that.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 18 07:57:09 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 17 18:07:19 2025.

Chicagomotorman dislikes the conditions that the United States has generally put on Israel in order to get our aid. Namely the push for national suicide with a two state “solution” and having to recognize Muslims within their borders.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Jun 18 09:31:52 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 18 07:57:09 2025.

Thank you counsel.

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jun 18 09:35:52 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 18 07:57:09 2025.

OBS doesn't like that Senator Sanders and AOC forced "aid" to palestein in order for Israel to even get defensive munitions, thus the Demonkkkrat party is responsible for the war.

Otherwise, partitions work. Look at India. Right?

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Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 18 12:46:02 2025, in response to Re: Question for WMATAGMOAGH (or anyone else), posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 18 07:57:09 2025.

You are very ignorant, particularly if you think "Muslims" will stay "within their borders"—are you denying October 7 happened??

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