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Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York's economy |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Oct 30 11:47:01 2024 Containerized shipping. During the 1960's and 1970's, its rapid spread almost completely kiboshed commercial shipping in the port of New York, and there's no hope of recovery. The old "break bulk" shipping, in which teams of longshoremen loaded and unloaded ships by hand, didn't require much space and hence was completely suitable for a crowded city like New York.Containerized shipping is completely different. It requires massive amounts of landside space and double-stack rail access. Howland Hook on Staten Island is New York's only container port (Brooklyn handles a small amount of other shipping), and even though it's a relatively small port with a capacity of two large ships at a time if you magically transported it to Manhattan by my estimates you'd have to flatten everything between 42nd and 57th streets west of Ninth Avenue to accommodate it. And double-stack access exists in Howland Hook yet nowhere else in the city. Interestingly, containerized shipping also destroyed the port of San Francisco, and like NYC the city also suffered grievously from WFH. |
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Re: Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York's economy |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Oct 30 12:16:10 2024, in response to Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York's economy, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Oct 30 11:47:01 2024. "The old "break bulk" shipping, in which teams of longshoremen loaded and unloaded ships by hand, didn't require much space and hence was completely suitable for a crowded city like New York."You're a couple weeks late to this. The strike is over. Apparently there are twice as many workers than jobs at the ports. The world is largely automated, but for the "1st world" US. I like the old vidoes where they used to load TV's onto boxcars. I wonder if much got broken back then. You buy something at a store today and the packaging and condition is often shameful. I get phones shipped to me via fed-ex wihtout even wrap. It just gets thrown around the box in the truck. |
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Re: Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York's economy |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 30 13:10:11 2024, in response to Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York's economy, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Oct 30 11:47:01 2024. Yawn.One technology advance, containerized shipping, eliminated low paying jobs in Manhattan. Other technology advances have brought many high paying jobs to Manhattan. And many of the tall buildings in Manhattan today could not have been built economically in 1950. Without those advances in building technology, people would have been saying that Manhattan was long past its prime because there just isn't any place to put more workers. |
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Re: Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York’s economy? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 30 19:44:33 2024, in response to Before WFH, another development that completely corn holed New York's economy, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Oct 30 11:47:01 2024. The old "break bulk" shipping, in which teams of longshoremen loaded and unloaded ships by hand, didn't require much spaceLOL, you worked the docks? Break bulk was very labor-intensive and many loads had to be done by hand, making it "break back" shipping. Containerized shipping is completely different. It requires massive amounts of landside space and double-stack rail access LOL, false. You have no idea how many rails are gone from the shores of the Hudson, do you? Are you really a railfan? Go to Liberty State Park one day . . . that wild area used to be covered in railroad tracks, all to serve the old "break bulk" style shipping. |
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