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50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 10:34:39 2023 The very last game in the REAL Yankee Stadium. |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 29 10:37:46 2023, in response to 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 10:34:39 2023. The "REAL" Yankee Stadium was a crumbling dump by 1973. CBS had owned the team for years before then and had zero interest in it. Give Swinegrabber credit, he really was passionate about owning the Yankees, a lot more than Fred Coupon ever was about owning the Mets. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 11:00:42 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 29 10:37:46 2023. Baloney!! I worked there as a vendor from 1968 until 1972 and there was nothing wrong with the place, unless it deteriorated the one year after I stopped which is highly unlikely. I also worked at Shea during that time and even though it was less than 10 years old I thought it was in worse shape than Yankee!! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 11:05:13 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 29 10:37:46 2023. I might be wrong but wasn't it Michael Burke and not Steinbrenner? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 29 11:08:24 2023, in response to 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 10:34:39 2023. I only saw one game in Fakee Stadium! The REAL location is across the street! BTW, I love going to Shiti Field, much better than Fakee or Ghea Stadiums. |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 12:35:23 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 29 11:08:24 2023. The post 1973 stadium was as fake as the present one. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 29 13:46:17 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 12:35:23 2023. I consider it renovated. My house looks totally different cosmetically from when I bought it, sunk $$$ into it, but still the same house |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 29 14:01:41 2023, in response to 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 10:34:39 2023. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 15:44:39 2023, in response to 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 10:34:39 2023. You know, you really should be grateful that the original Yankee Stadium stood for as long as it did. Here’s a reality check for you: The original Yankee Stadium would not have survived in any form, if not for those 1974-75 renovations. Long story short, the stadium was falling apart, and it needed to be addressed. No way around it. When you get a safety inspection report, telling you that your stadium has structural integrity issues, like what CBS Prez Michael Burke received in 1970, you had better damn well take it seriously. Granted, they had to play at Shea Stadium for two seasons, but it was necessary. Meanwhile, the renovated Yankee Stadium, despite losing some of its original charm and character from the old one, was a key factor in the Yankees leading MLB in payroll, while drawing over 4 million fans a season in attendance. Did you honestly think that the Stadium would still be around today, in its original configuration?Sometimes, you have to look past the nostalgia aspects, and look at the big picture. Nothing lasts forever. |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 17:48:10 2023, in response to 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 29 10:34:39 2023. Hey Sarge you’re off by one day. It was Sunday 9/30/73Detroit Tigers 8, New York Yankees 5 Day Discrepancies Game Played on Sunday, September 30, 1973 (D) at Yankee Stadium I DET A 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 6 0 - 8 13 1 NY A 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 - 5 7 0 BATTING Detroit Tigers AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Veryzer ss 5 1 2 1 0 0 1 0 Brinkman ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rodriguez 3b 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 I. Brown 3b 3 1 2 0 0 0 2 1 Kaline rf 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 R. Cash lf 2 1 0 0 1 2 0 0 Stanley cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 Howard dh 5 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 Sharon cf 3 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 Northrup ph,lf 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 Didier c 5 1 2 1 0 0 7 2 Staton 1b 4 2 1 1 0 1 6 2 Lane lf,rf 3 2 2 2 1 0 6 0 Knox 2b 3 0 2 2 0 1 2 1 Holdsworth p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 Hiller p 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 Totals 38 8 13 8 3 7 27 8 FIELDING - E: Holdsworth (1). BATTING - HR: Lane (1,7th inning off Peterson 1 on 2 out). SH: Knox (2,off Peterson). Team LOB: 7. BASERUNNING - CS: Knox (1,2nd base by Peterson/Sims). New York Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO PO A White lf 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 Hegan 1b 4 0 0 0 0 2 9 1 Nettles 3b 2 0 0 0 1 1 1 3 Sanchez 3b 1 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 Murcer cf 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 Swoboda cf 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 Blomberg dh 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Sims c 2 2 1 1 2 0 8 1 Velez rf 3 1 2 1 1 1 1 0 Lanier 2b 3 1 1 1 1 0 5 2 Stanley ss 3 0 0 0 0 1 2 4 Peterson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 McDaniel p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Granger p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 31 5 7 5 5 7 27 13 BATTING - 2B: Velez (4,off Holdsworth); Lanier (3,off Hiller). HR: Sims (9,7th inning off Holdsworth 0 on 0 out). SH: Hegan (5,off Holdsworth); Stanley (2,off Hiller). Team LOB: 6. PITCHING Detroit Tigers IP H R ER BB SO HR BFP Holdsworth 6 4 4 4 4 5 1 26 Hiller W(10-5) 3 3 1 1 1 2 0 12 Totals 9 7 5 5 5 7 1 38 Holdsworth faced 3 batters in the 7th inning Inherited Runners - Scored: Hiller 2-2. . New York Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR BFP Peterson 7 9 4 4 0 5 1 29 McDaniel L(12-6) 0.2 3 4 4 3 0 0 8 Granger 1.1 1 0 0 0 2 0 5 Totals 9 13 8 8 3 7 1 42 Peterson faced 2 batters in the 8th inning WP: Peterson (7). Inherited Runners - Scored: McDaniel 2-2; Granger 2-0. . Umpires: HP - Frank Umont, 1B - Joe Brinkman, 2B - Dave Phillips, 3B - Art Frantz Time of Game: 2:29 Attendance: 32238 Starting Lineups: Detroit Tigers New York Yankees 1. Veryzer ss White lf 2. Rodriguez 3b Hegan 1b 3. Kaline rf Nettles 3b 4. Howard dh Murcer cf 5. Sharon cf Blomberg dh 6. Didier c Sims c 7. Staton 1b Velez rf 8. Lane lf Lanier 2b 9. Knox 2b Stanley ss Holdsworth p Peterson p TIGERS 1ST: Veryzer popped to second; Rodriguez grounded out (shortstop to first); Kaline flied out to right; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 0. YANKEES 1ST: White flied out to left; Hegan struck out; Nettles struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 0. TIGERS 2ND: Howard singled to left; Peterson threw a wild pitch [Howard to second]; Sharon struck out; Didier reached on a fielder's choice [Howard out at third (shortstop to third)]; Staton struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 0. YANKEES 2ND: Murcer singled to center; Blomberg flied out to left; Sims walked [Murcer to second]; Velez doubled to right [Murcer scored, Sims to third]; Lanier grounded out (first unassisted); Stanley was called out on strikes; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. TIGERS 3RD: SWOBODA REPLACED MURCER (PLAYING CF); Lane singled to left; Knox out on a sacrifice bunt (pitcher to second) [Lane to second]; Veryzer grounded out (third to first); Rodriguez grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. YANKEES 3RD: White singled to right; Hegan out on a sacrifice bunt (first to second) [White to second]; Nettles grounded out (second to first) [White to third]; Swoboda grounded out (catcher to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. TIGERS 4TH: On a bunt Kaline singled; Howard lined to shortstop; Sharon struck out; Didier singled to left [Kaline to second]; Staton popped to catcher in foul territory; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. YANKEES 4TH: R. CASH REPLACED KALINE (PLAYING LF); LANE CHANGED POSITIONS (PLAYING RF); Blomberg popped to first; Sims flied out to right; Velez struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. TIGERS 5TH: Lane flied out to center; Knox struck out; Veryzer grounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. YANKEES 5TH: I. BROWN REPLACED RODRIGUEZ (PLAYING 3B); Lanier popped to shortstop; Stanley grounded out (third to first); White grounded out (first to pitcher); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. TIGERS 6TH: I. Brown grounded out (shortstop to first); R. Cash struck out; Howard grounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. YANKEES 6TH: Hegan popped to third; Nettles walked; Nettles safe on a pick-off error by Holdsworth [Nettles to second]; Swoboda struck out; Blomberg flied out to right; 0 R, 0 H, 1 E, 1 LOB. Tigers 0, Yankees 1. TIGERS 7TH: SANCHEZ REPLACED NETTLES (PLAYING 3B); Sharon grounded out (shortstop to first); On a bunt Didier singled to third; Staton forced Didier (third to second); Lane homered [Staton scored]; Knox singled to center; Knox was caught stealing second (catcher to second); 2 R, 3 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 2, Yankees 1. YANKEES 7TH: Sims homered; Velez walked; Lanier walked [Velez to second]; HILLER REPLACED HOLDSWORTH (PITCHING); Stanley reached on a fielder's choice on a sacrifice bunt [Velez to third, Lanier to second]; White popped to second; Hegan was called out on strikes; Sanchez singled to center [Velez scored, Lanier scored, Stanley out at third (center to third)]; 3 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Tigers 2, Yankees 4. TIGERS 8TH: Veryzer singled to left; I. Brown singled to shortstop [Veryzer to second]; MCDANIEL REPLACED PETERSON (PITCHING); R. Cash walked [Veryzer to third, I. Brown to second]; Howard popped to second; NORTHRUP BATTED FOR SHARON; Northrup walked [Veryzer scored, I. Brown to third, R. Cash to second]; Didier forced Northrup (first to shortstop) [I. Brown scored, R. Cash to third]; Staton singled to left [R. Cash scored, Didier to second]; Lane walked [Didier to third, Staton to second]; Knox singled to right [Didier scored, Staton scored, Lane to third]; Veryzer singled to left [Lane scored, Knox to second]; GRANGER REPLACED MCDANIEL (PITCHING); I. Brown singled to shortstop [Knox to third, Veryzer to second]; R. Cash was called out on strikes; 6 R, 6 H, 0 E, 3 LOB. Tigers 8, Yankees 4. YANKEES 8TH: BRINKMAN REPLACED VERYZER (PLAYING SS); STANLEY REPLACED R. CASH (PLAYING CF); NORTHRUP STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING LF); Swoboda flied out to right; Blomberg struck out; Sims walked; Velez singled to center [Sims to second]; Lanier doubled to left [Sims scored, Velez to third]; Velez was out trying to advance to home and Lanier advanced to third (catcher to pitcher); Otto Velez out trying to score on short passed ball; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Tigers 8, Yankees 5. TIGERS 9TH: Howard struck out; Northrup grounded out (second to first); Didier grounded out (first unassisted); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 8, Yankees 5. YANKEES 9TH: Stanley grounded out (pitcher to first); White flied out to right; Hegan flied out to center; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Tigers 8, Yankees 5. Final Totals R H E LOB Tigers 8 13 1 7 Yankees 5 7 0 6 |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 18:06:08 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Sep 29 10:37:46 2023. 1)The place had been painted over the winter of 66-67 so it probably wasn’t that bad. And it was a much more substantial structure than the places that survived past 1973.2) Steinbrenner inherited the rebuilding project. Burke got that started under CBS around 1971. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 18:28:13 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 15:44:39 2023. Why wouldn’t it still be there if it was maintained? Boston and Chicago have ballparks 10 years older. The pyramids are still standing too.The payroll is for a winning team that put fans in the seats in the late 90s and 2000s. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 19:09:48 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 18:28:13 2023. Boston and Chicago have ballparks 10 years older.You can’t lump all ballparks together, and call them equal to each other. By that logic, Tiger Stadium and Comiskey Park would have still been standing. They’re not, and for the same reason Yankee Stadium is gone: Too expensive to maintain and/or rehab, plus being outmoded, to boot. The renovated Yankee Stadium was built to accommodate more seats, but by 2008, it was no longer built to modern standards. Corridors too cramped, sight lines were partially obstructed in the mezzanine seats, and bathroom visits were too long, especially with sellout crowds. The older a ballpark gets, the higher cost it will be to maintain. Take a look at Wrigley Field, they recently completed a 5-year renovation project that cost $575 million. Since the Cubs are also a cash cow, while playing in a prime real estate location, they were able to afford renovating an aging ballpark in the present day. Yankee Stadium, despite being a cash cow, was no longer economically viable for the modern day baseball market, due to the aforementioned reasons, plus other factors that are too complex to mention here. The Steinbrenners chose to build a new stadium with more space, to make it easier for fans to get in and out, while complying with modern building codes. Much cheaper to build a newer facility, than to spend much more renovating an older one. Don’t forget the beam that collapsed from the upper deck back in ‘98. Could you imagine that happening with a ballgame in progress? That would be a PR nightmare, to say the least! Fenway Park & Wrigley Field are still around today, because the teams that play there, generate more revenue than most other teams in Major League Baseball. They are the few exceptions. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 19:39:09 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 19:09:48 2023. What do you mean the renovated stadium was built to accommodate more seats? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 19:50:22 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 19:09:48 2023. And I’m not lumping them all together or calling them equal. But this idea that them place would have been a pile of dust by now isn’t fair either.There will always be a rivalry in NY with whatever teams are here. The Yankees couldn’t be playing in a 50 year old stadium and the Mets have modern Shea. It has as much to do with keeping up with the Joneses as anything. When that place in Baltimore opened I’m sure it put the Steinbrenner into full replacement mode. It took 14 years to break ground but he accomplished his goal. And if you think post 1976 YS was uneconomic what do you suppose Fenway and Wrigley are? |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 20:16:11 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 19:39:09 2023. Take a look at the upper deck. The newer deck was added on, and pushed up, compared to the old one. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 22:31:33 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 20:16:11 2023. In 1976? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 01:14:30 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 15:44:39 2023. The floods haven't washed it away yet? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 04:10:57 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Sep 29 19:09:48 2023. There is no modern day baseball market. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 30 10:23:06 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 30 04:10:57 2023. Huh?? As one who's favorite sports are pro pool and horse racing I still like to watch a good ball game. I even like to go to Eisenhower Park near me and watch the semi pro games, the little league games, and even the girls softball games. If there was no modern day market they wouldn't be charging those outrageous prices for seats. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Sep 30 12:06:06 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 29 19:50:22 2023. And if you think post 1976 YS was uneconomic what do you suppose Fenway and Wrigley are?I never said that Fenway & Wrigley were uneconomic, as I’ve already stated, they were also falling apart, but the Red Sox & Cubs generate more than enough money, in order to afford the necessary renovations to keep their venues open. The Steinbrenners decided against another renovation, because to bring a once-renovated Yankee Stadium up to 2008 standards, would have been a waste of time and money, in their views. Ballparks don’t maintain themselves, upkeep is a vital factor in the lifespan of a sports facility. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 30 14:42:54 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Sep 30 12:06:06 2023. And maintaining something depends on how bad you want to keep it. You have to agree Steinbrenner felt left out that half the teams in the league had new ballparks and he didn’t. |
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Re: 50 years ago today: September 30,1973 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 30 14:52:47 2023, in response to Re: 50 years ago today: September 29, 1973, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Sep 30 12:06:06 2023. The Yanks played their final game game in YS I and the condemned ballpark underwent its 2 and half year renovation. |
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