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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 21 15:48:33 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 12:55:26 2021.

As a retired cop, I was taught to shoot when all other means have been exhausted. I was surprised that more of these far right Trumpsters did not meet the same fate. She deserved exactly what she got!

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 15:55:13 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 21 15:48:33 2021.

IAWTP

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 16:01:46 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 15:55:13 2021.

It’s still a tragedy. She martyred herself for her lord and savior.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 21 16:04:45 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Allan on Sat Aug 21 15:45:40 2021.

IAAWTP.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 16:05:04 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 16:01:46 2021.

While betraying her country. Tragic, yes, but wholly preventable.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Allan on Sat Aug 21 16:21:25 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 21 16:04:45 2021.

Besides given the circumstances I doubt if they could get a grand jury to indict.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 21 16:38:45 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 21 10:23:34 2021.

Nice begging the question. First assuming the cop was "doing his job"; and that he would be be killed if his identity was revealed.

Why is this cop worthy of this Gestapo-grade protection?

And what was special about Ashli Babbitt that made her specially deserving of summary execution?

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 16:45:25 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by SLRT on Sat Aug 21 16:38:45 2021.

And what was special about Ashli Babbitt that made her specially deserving of summary execution?

1. She led a mob through a just-broken-down door, charging toward a lone police officer.

2. Other members of the mob, even if not necessarily the specific people in that group, had been shouting calls for the death of the Vice President and members of Congress.

3. The police officer was guarding a group of unarmed members of Congress just a few feet away.

4. The police officer believed his life and those of the people he was protecting were in imminent danger.

5. The police officer rationally believed that deadly force was appropriate to protect himself and his charges.



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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 16:54:22 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 16:45:25 2021.

Excellent exposition of the truth.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by CHicagomotorman on Sat Aug 21 17:36:13 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 21 16:04:45 2021.

You don't think the election was stolen?

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Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 18:11:20 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by CHicagomotorman on Sat Aug 21 17:36:13 2021.

OMG!

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 21 18:19:22 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 14:44:02 2021.

IAWTP

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Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 21 18:30:10 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by CHicagomotorman on Sat Aug 21 17:36:13 2021.

No.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 18:30:48 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who MURDERED Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 21 18:30:10 2021.

Figures

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:36:51 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 14:45:58 2021.

She committed unlawful entry on property

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:38:10 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 15:15:59 2021.

Burglary as defined in DC is entering a premise with the intention or actually committing a crime.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:38:30 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 14:44:02 2021.

Nope, try again.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:38:54 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 21 18:19:22 2021.

See my response

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:40:32 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 21 15:48:33 2021.

What was I taught?? I never said he was wrong, but he panicked.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:42:42 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 16:45:25 2021.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:43:16 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 16:54:22 2021.

Except....

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 18:51:35 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:43:16 2021.

for what?



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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 21 18:59:27 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 14:13:08 2021.

So?

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 21 19:01:50 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 12:38:25 2021.

Comparing it to the Brown incident.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 19:02:43 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:38:10 2021.

Which is what she did.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 19:03:09 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 21 19:01:50 2021.

I didn't bring up Brown, another poster did, and I replied.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 19:05:43 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 21 18:59:27 2021.

There were references to his career being ruined. Firing him was justified by his careless conduct even if jailing him would not have been. He knows he's got a very big unruly guy on his hands and he doesn't bother to pick up his taser?





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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 19:14:08 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 18:38:10 2021.

She was actively trying to obstruct the operation of Congress. She was an accomplice to battery of police officers by her fellow rioters. She was an accomplice to threatening public officials with physical violence. If the guys next to you are shouting hang Mike Pence and you don't disassociate yourself from them, you are giving credence to their threat by increasing the size of the crowd.





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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:48:35 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 19:05:43 2021.

I was talking about how his name was released something that hasn't happened to the cop in the Babbit shooting.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 19:53:57 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 19:02:43 2021.

She wasn't though. Other people were, but no reports of her doing anything other than her being there

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 19:54:55 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 19:14:08 2021.

Wow.....

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 21 19:55:14 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 12:57:05 2021.

The cop has every reason to lie??? I'll take a cops word over a perp every time.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 19:56:05 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 19:53:57 2021.

She was actively taking part in a violent insurrection to overturn a fair, free, and legitimate election, and attempt to overthrow the government, at the behest of a rogue President.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 21 19:58:27 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 16:05:04 2021.

Ashli Babbitt died in vain for a self-centered power hungry narcissist. She made the ultimate poor choice!

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 19:59:41 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 21 19:55:14 2021.

Cops don't always tell the truth. Under investigation for possible wrongdoing, they're just like most ordinary people. They will put their side of the story in the most self-serving light. This is a major reason body-worn camera technology was developed. "Testilying" is a very real thing.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 19:14:08 2021.

If the guys next to you are shouting hang Mike Pence and you don't disassociate yourself from them, you are giving credence to their threat by increasing the size of the crowd.

Does the law say that?

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:01:05 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021.

Yes. In for a penny, in for a pound. A minor player in a serious crime is just as guilty as one who plays a major role.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:01:25 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021.

Yes. In for a penny, in for a pound. A minor player in a serious crime is just as guilty as one who plays a major role.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:01:25 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021.

Yes. In for a penny, in for a pound. A minor player in a serious crime is just as guilty as one who plays a major role.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:01:25 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021.

Yes. In for a penny, in for a pound. A minor player in a serious crime is just as guilty as one who plays a major role.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:01:25 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021.

Yes. In for a penny, in for a pound. A minor player in a serious crime is just as guilty as one who plays a major role.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 21 20:03:02 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 21 19:58:27 2021.

IAWTP. Sad.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:07:39 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 21 19:58:27 2021.

IAAWTP

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 20:23:06 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 19:59:46 2021.

Which is more threatening? A lone man shouting "Hang Mike Pence" or a crowd of 50 shouting people where one is shouting "Hang Mike Pence?"

And do you think she just sauntered into the inner reaches of the Capitol Building, not realizing she'd gotten there thanks to her fellow rioters severely beating Capitol Police officers until they were unable to keep the rioters out?



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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 20:24:06 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 19:56:05 2021.

None of that is true. It was a bunch of yahoos who decided to run amok.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 20:24:26 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 21 20:23:06 2021.

Thus far they haven't been able charge people with more than fairly minor trespassing charges.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 20:26:41 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 19:59:41 2021.

More nonsense. Various "groups" want to abolish bodycams, as they show the savagery that really goes on, and they cannot lie and claim brutality when there isn't any.

"Testilying"...oh, brother!!🙄

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 20:27:54 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:01:05 2021.

That's not what he asked. YOUR scenario is akin to being a lookout while someone else robs a bank

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 21 20:28:32 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by DAND124 on Sat Aug 21 20:24:26 2021.

Yep. No insurrection charges handed down yet. If that hasn't happened yet. probably never will.

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Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 21 20:29:03 2021, in response to Re: Capitol Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt Exonerated, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 21 20:24:06 2021.

Equipped with walkie-talkie radios, flex cuffs, tactical gear, metal-lined gloves, and chemical agents.

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