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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 4 16:48:52 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 16:44:48 2021.* I disagree and I think that they are more selfish in the aggregate.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Aug 4 17:17:52 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 3 20:36:08 2021.* Yes
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Aug 4 17:18:39 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 08:07:07 2021.* LOLOL!!!
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Aug 4 17:19:53 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 23:38:17 2021.* Should the Lambda Variant Worry You? Not if You’re Vaccinated. Covid-19 case counts have leapt from the spread of the more infectious Delta version of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Now, another variant, called Lambda, has reached the U.S., raising fears with its resistance to the immunity conferred by vaccines or synthetic antibody cocktails. Should the Lambda variant scare you? In a word, no. Research is still preliminary, but while early data show that Lambda is indeed more resistant to antibodies raised against other virus variants, the antibody levels in vaccinated people are more than sufficient to prevent disease symptoms from Lambda exposure. The Covid virus is constantly evolving, and the Lambda variant was first noted last year in Peru. It is now one of the most common culprits behind new Covid cases in South America. Over 1,000 cases in the U.S. have been tied to the variant. In June, the World Health Organization designated Lambda as “variant of interest”—meaning that it was worth watching, but not the proven threat of “variants of concern” like the infectious Delta. READ MORE Delta Variant Now 93% of U.S. Coronavirus Cases, CDC Says Lambda has come to the world’s attention because it seems to be both more infectious than the original strain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and more resistant to current interventions. A study posted July 28 on the website bioRxiv by University of Tokyo researchers reported that Lambda variants have alterations in the virus’s surface spikes that increase their attraction to the entry channels of our cells, while also being harder to recognize by antibodies targeting the spikes of the original virus. The Tokyo study hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, but it suggests that antibodies generated by the vaccine from Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and BioNTech (BNTX) found it almost 1.5 times harder to neutralize Lambda variants than the original virus. But that doesn’t leave the vaccinated without protection against Lambda. A July 3 study published on the same website by researchers at New York University Medical School tested the variant with antibodies from both the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the vaccine from Moderna (MRNA). Compared with the original virus strain, the NYU team found that Lambda was about 3-times more resistant to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine antibodies, and 2.3-times resistant to Moderna-generated antibodies. Lambda was also slightly more resistant to the antibodies contained in the cocktail treatment from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals (REGN). Still, Regeneron’s cocktail was able to neutralize Lambda variants well, said the NYU scientists. They also concluded that the average levels of antibodies generated by either the Moderna or the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines are more than enough to protect against Lambda. Write to Bill Alpert at william.alpert@barrons.com https://archive.vn/9MDOa#selection-379.0-379.62
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 17:20:49 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 16:48:52 2021.* That may just be your vs my life experience. Any negative economic events in my life have tended to be attributable (to the extent that it is fair to attribute them to others) to pre-boomers. It would be different for you.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 17:22:06 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 3 23:38:17 2021.* Your link is self-referential. I click on it and I'm right back to the same post.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Aug 4 17:22:08 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 12:41:02 2021.* I just got back from "America" (5 day vacation) NO ONE, and I mean NOT A SOUL was wearing a mask. In fact, I didn't even have one on my person.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Aug 4 17:22:37 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 12:45:10 2021.* This is a NYC centric board
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 17:23:18 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 12:29:15 2021.* Did you read his linked article?
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 17:23:43 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 4 17:22:08 2021.* And?
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Aug 4 17:27:13 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 13:21:10 2021.* Wartime??
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Aug 4 17:36:21 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 17:23:43 2021.* That whole "Chicken Little" mentality was nowhere to be found
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Posted by 3-9* on Wed Aug 4 17:37:09 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 08:07:07 2021.* Considering how many people here want to sweep COVID-19 under the rug, even though the pandemic is far from over, this much logical pessimism is very much welcome. Besides, the points he's been making have been picked up by the mainstream media here in the US, sometimes a couple of days behind.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Aug 4 17:38:18 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 4 17:22:37 2021.* When you're out of NY, you're out of town!!
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Aug 4 17:40:41 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 16:44:48 2021.* Sure but coming on the heels of the Greatest Generation it seems über-selfish
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Aug 4 17:41:54 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 08:07:07 2021.* Haha sure, but nobody wants to eat their vegetables.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 17:54:15 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 17:40:41 2021.* There's a time gap there. The people who fought in WW II were generally born 1910 to 1926. The baby boomer generation only starts at 1946.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Aug 4 18:05:44 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 4 17:37:09 2021.* "Considering how many people here want to sweep COVID-19 under the rug," People who were vaccinated want to sweep it "under the rug" since for them, they are protected and the pandemic is over. Speaking strictly in the USA. I'm vaccinated & believe I'm protected. I'm aware that in life, there are no guarantees, but I like the odds that I will not get sick, but if I do, there's less than a 0.0007% chance of me dying. Thats the numbers out there. "...this much logical pessimism is very much welcome." Not when its couched in irrational "the sky is falling" hysteria coupled with unenforcable & illogical solutions like more massive lockdowns. The logical solution is to get as many as possible vaccinated, straight answer.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 4 18:08:25 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 18:05:44 2021.* And the way to do that is to make more things contingent on proof of vaccination.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 18:18:32 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 18:05:44 2021.* People who were vaccinated want to sweep it "under the rug" since for them, they are protected and the pandemic is over. Only if you never have contact with people who can't be vaccinated or for whom the vaccine doesn't provide as full protection as it provides for you. (And of course assuming Stephen's doom and gloom about lambda is unwarranted.)
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 18:21:00 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 4 17:36:21 2021.* So? I don't see a "Chicken Little" mentality here in Manhattan either.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Aug 4 18:45:22 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 13:24:42 2021.* LOL extreme TDS
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Aug 4 19:10:37 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 17:54:15 2021.* You're right. There's the greatest generation, followed by the silent generation and then the boomers. So says this graph (and others) anyway:
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Posted by 3-9* on Wed Aug 4 19:34:41 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 18:18:32 2021.* People who were vaccinated want to sweep it "under the rug" since for them, they are protected and the pandemic is over. (And of course assuming Stephen's doom and gloom about lambda is unwarranted.) But it's not over, not even for the vaccinated. Why do people keep thinking Delta is the final form this virus is going to take and it won't mutate again? As long as the disease is raging around the world, there's an increased chance that a mutation will occur that will evade the antibodies created for the vaccine.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Wed Aug 4 19:38:11 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 17:19:53 2021.* Thank you for the link. It isn't often a News Corp piece provides links to its sources. Barrons is a financial magazine, which explains the stock symbols next to company names. The author has written many financial articles. This one appears an effort to translate medical news for the Wall Street types. The article cites two non-peer reviewed articles. The first suggests that the Lambda variant is dangerous. The author interprets the second to suggest that Lambda won't be that bad. I suppose this is the Barrons' version of "fair and balanced reporting." The first: A study posted July 28 on the website bioRxiv by University of Tokyo researchers reported that Lambda variants have alterations in the virus’s surface spikes that increase their attraction to the entry channels of our cells, while also being harder to recognize by antibodies targeting the spikes of the original virus. The Tokyo study hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, but it suggests that antibodies generated by the vaccine from Pfizer (ticker: PFE) and BioNTech (BNTX) found it almost 1.5 times harder to neutralize Lambda variants than the original virus. The second: A July 3 study published on the same website by researchers at New York University Medical School tested the variant with antibodies from both the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the vaccine from Moderna (MRNA). Compared with the original virus strain, the NYU team found that Lambda was about 3-times more resistant to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine antibodies, and 2.3-times resistant to Moderna-generated antibodies. Lambda was also slightly more resistant to the antibodies contained in the cocktail treatment from Regeneron Pharmaceuticals (REGN). Still, Regeneron’s cocktail was able to neutralize Lambda variants well, said the NYU scientists. They also concluded that the average levels of antibodies generated by either the Moderna or the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines are more than enough to protect against Lambda. Mr. Alpert is confusing the Lambda variant immunity to a vaccine and its immunity to a therapeutic. Somebody has to catch Covid for a therapeutic like Regeneron to be of any help. Lambda will not be contained by resorting to therapeutics. He also missed some fine print in the article regarding the ability of the the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to neutralize the Lambda variant. Analysis of the infectivity of the pseudotyped viruses on ACE2.293T cells, normalized for particle number, showed that the lambda spike protein increased infectivity by 2-fold. The increase was due to the L452Q mutation; the other mutations (G75V-T76I, F490S, T859N and Δ246-252) had no significant effect on infectivity (Figure S1C). This means that a similar number of Lambda variant particles will be twice as infectious as the original virus. Not mentioned is what happens if the number of Lambda variant particles is more than 1000 times those of the original virus. The Lambda and Delta variants produce a lot more virus particles, once inside the body. Mr. Alpert also did not repeat this caveat the NYU authors inserted: While our findings suggest that current vaccines will provide protection against variants identified to date, the results do not preclude the possibility that novel variants will emerge that are more resistant to current vaccines.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 4 20:01:36 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 19:10:37 2021.* Yeah, I've personally encountered many greedy folks from the silent generation.
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:32:43 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 13:19:39 2021.* So that means you needed an id to get the vax card. I see. Sorry as I said, "not exactly"
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:33:14 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 13:24:42 2021.* So you have to show id? How racist.
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:33:42 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 4 18:45:22 2021.* Yeah, just the ending of that post screams severe tds
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:35:36 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 4 14:41:39 2021.* So they require ID? How can people in rural area get that? And without Kamala's Office Max, or copy machines or running water?
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:38:09 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 13:19:48 2021.* Sounds like how trailer trash in rural communities don't have I'd or access to copy machines, or of course it's easiest too, as "blacks are too dumb and can't get access to ids"
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:38:40 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 13:23:23 2021.* Not just California
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Wed Aug 4 20:39:50 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 13:25:57 2021.* It's questionable for the masks to work at all, and for the vaccinated, the risk is like .008%
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Aug 4 20:40:25 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 20:32:43 2021.* And?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 4 21:07:41 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 20:33:42 2021.* How do you figure?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 4 21:10:10 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 20:38:09 2021.* I wasn’t the one who called them a slur, but yes, plenty of rural poor of all races have less access to the kind of ID that voter ID laws require.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 4 21:11:17 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 20:39:50 2021.* What is your point? I didn’t say that everyone should wear masks.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Aug 4 22:04:57 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 4 20:33:14 2021.* Just being devil's advocate here as I'm definitely pro showing ID to vote but: Voting is a right in the Constitution, getting vaccinated isn't.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Aug 4 22:09:39 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 22:04:57 2021.* And showing ID preserves the security of YOUR vote.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Aug 4 22:15:05 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 17:38:18 2021.* ...and when you're out of Schlitz... fill in the rest!!:)
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Thu Aug 5 00:17:15 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 21:10:10 2021.* Then, if they want to vote, it behooves them to get it.
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Thu Aug 5 06:39:39 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 4 22:04:57 2021.* And if asking for it with one is "racist", then it is with the second too
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Thu Aug 5 06:40:37 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 21:07:41 2021.* It's like alcoholics who don't realize they are such
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Thu Aug 5 06:43:19 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Aug 5 00:17:15 2021.* And if people needed and show id to get to the vax, why is it so much more difficult to use that same I'd used to vote? All of a sudden it's a hardship them, and no one has id
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Thu Aug 5 06:44:30 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 4 21:11:17 2021.* You did not, but there's a huge push among the politicians you support to do so
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Thu Aug 5 06:45:29 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 4 22:15:05 2021.* "When you're out of Schlitz, you're out of beer".
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Aug 5 07:28:32 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 06:43:19 2021.* Because they don’t let them use the same ID vote as I already told you.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Aug 5 07:30:30 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 06:40:37 2021.* That doesn’t make sense. I asked you what made that post TDS? Trump Dude just responds to every one of my posts that mention President Traitor in some way with “TDS” because his love and worship compel him.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Aug 5 07:32:04 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 06:44:30 2021.* So what? Not only is it not true, but if it were, what does that have to do with anything? You have rabid DDS.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Thu Aug 5 08:53:53 2021, in response to Re: COVID 2020 vs. 2021, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 4 20:40:25 2021.* The point was made.
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