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Texas grid operator error |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Mar 6 12:26:15 2021 $16 Billion |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 13:34:22 2021, in response to Texas grid operator error, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Mar 6 12:26:15 2021. I DO NOT SEE THE TEXASSS ADVANTAGE ANYMORE |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 16:01:49 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 13:34:22 2021. Let them secede and form their own country. That's what a lot of them have been wanting to do. As far as I'm concerned, wish granted! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 18:28:51 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 16:01:49 2021. I MEAN THEY BAG ON CALIFORNIA SO BAD THERE!!! SO WHAT IS THE GREAT TEXASSS ADVANTAFGE NOW ?? I DONT SEE IT |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 18:29:06 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 16:01:49 2021. I MEAN THEY BAG ON CALIFORNIA SO BAD THERE!!! SO WHAT IS THE GREAT TEXASSS ADVANTAGE NOW ?? I DONT SEE IT |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Mar 6 19:32:24 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 16:01:49 2021. Or return them to Mexico (Ted Cruz will be delighted! h doesn't have to take a flight!) 😂 |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 6 20:29:02 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 13:34:22 2021. Better then California. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 20:37:07 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 6 20:29:02 2021. HOW ??OUR POWER GRID WORKS AND ITS BETTER THAN TEXASSSSSSS LOL |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 6 20:40:43 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 20:37:07 2021. To New Yorkers both places, California & Texas, sucks compared to NY. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 6 20:40:49 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 20:37:07 2021. Texas is open, California is closed. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 20:46:38 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 6 20:40:43 2021. OH NO |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 20:47:06 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 6 20:40:49 2021. CLOSED POWER GRID AND IT FAILED THE STATE TOTALLY |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 21:08:51 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 6 20:40:49 2021. YOU HAVE TO ADMIT ITS TEXASSSS THAAT IS CLOSED NOT CALIFORNIA |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 21:09:00 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Mar 6 20:40:49 2021. YOU HAVE TO ADMIT ITS TEXASSSS THAT IS CLOSED NOT CALIFORNIA |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Mar 6 22:10:49 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 6 21:09:00 2021. As of next Wednesday, Texas is 100% open (for better or worse). |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 6 22:59:28 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 6 22:10:49 2021. Are they? Or just not required to be closed? Could private businesses still require masks or would that be verboten? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 6 23:28:44 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 6 20:40:43 2021. Yep! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 7 01:58:43 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 6 22:10:49 2021. WORSE ??CALIFORNIA IS STILL NOT OPEN |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 7 02:04:33 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 7 01:58:43 2021. it's not open because you're in a red state. Meaning communist.The Democrats are anti-freedom and are ejaculating over COVID because they like the power grab. They also like how divisive it is. For example liberals are more pro vaccine. Then you hear the news reports about vaccine availability to minorities. NPR and NY Times love the race baiting. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 11:47:11 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 16:01:49 2021. We’ll need to take our money out, our Army out, our highway funding out, our social services funding out, et.al. FIRST. They don’t get. to keep any of it....and then we wish them luck, since they'll need it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 11:48:47 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 6 22:10:49 2021. Enjoy your superspreader state. Stay away from the rest of us. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 12:19:06 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 16:01:49 2021. The big problem with that is that they are sitting on all that oil. With Texas being an independent country, or god forbid, become a part of Mexico, that'll increase our dependence on foreign oil! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 12:25:42 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 12:19:06 2021. Not as we decouple from mass consumption fossil fuels. Yeah, we’ll need them for some time for aviation and rail transportation, the latter being more cost effective for long distance transport. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 7 12:47:34 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 7 02:04:33 2021. CALIFORNIA IS BLUE |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 13:20:56 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 12:25:42 2021. "Not as we decouple from mass consumption fossil fuels."That will take generations from now. You & I will be long pushing up daisies before civilization will lose its dependence on fossil fuels. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 13:28:46 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 13:20:56 2021. I completely disagree. It can take a single generation. Electric cars are here, and practical, and range is no longer a problem.* Bingbong is right about aviation and rail, but there’s also marine shipping.That only requires a fully green electric grid, for which the solution has been around since the 1950s, we just have to go fission for it. *There is infrastructure that needs to be built for it, but it’s not like internal combustion didn’t require infrastructure to be practical, and installing public charging stations is less difficult than building a whole paved road network and gas stations, which was done 100 years ago for cars. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 7 13:58:00 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 13:20:56 2021. You & I will be long pushing up daisies before civilization will lose its dependence on fossil fuels.I agree with you. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 14:07:56 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 13:28:46 2021. "...the solution has been around since the 1950s, we just have to go fission for it."You're forgetting one thing, fossil fuels make money, big money. As long as fossil fuels make more $$$ than green/non fossil alternatives, fossil fuels will rule. Thats the big reason the "solution" was not pursued since the 1950s. Follow the money, thats the bottom line. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 14:14:57 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 13:28:46 2021. Infrastructure? Do you know how long it would take (and how much money) to put third rails on every street & highway in America? Or double trolley wire?
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 14:32:37 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 14:07:56 2021. Nuclear was expanding until the 1970s until irrational fear took over. And your post that started this discussion was your joke about foreign oil from Texas. If dependence on foreign oil is a problem, then the only solution is to use less of it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 14:33:50 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 14:14:57 2021. Infrastructure meaning DC fast charging stations.Now removing the trolley infrastructure in cities was a massive blunder. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 14:38:12 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 14:32:37 2021. "Irrational fear"??? Chernobyl? Three Mile Island? Fukushima?? Should I go on or should I stop? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 14:42:56 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 14:38:12 2021. 1. TMI: Completely meaningless. This was the worst nuclear accident in the West until 2011 and less radiation was released than a coal plant emits in a year (coal is the most radioäctive form of electricity generation). This proves the absolute safety of nuclear power.2. Chernobyl: I agree we shouldn’t use Soviet designs for our nuclear power plants, so we don’t. Useless example. 3. Fukushima: this one is the only one to actually impugn nuclear power in the “West”. But still, no one died, and fewer people will die (from cancer) from the radiation release than would have died had all that power been produced by coal. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 14:48:45 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 14:07:56 2021. As long as fossil fuels make more $$$ than green/non fossil alternatives, fossil fuels will rule.Oil and coal no longer do. Natural gas won't, once you remove taxpayer subsidies. Converting fossil fuels to useful energy requires extraction and then conversion into motion (via an internal combustion engine) or electricity (via a generator). Sun and wind are free fuels; you just have the step of converting them to electricity. A wind turbine or a solar cell is comparable in cost to a gas-powered generator of electricity. Agreed that you need batteries to store sun and wind, which offsets the savings on extraction. Once batteries get really cheap and the tax subsidies go away, natural gas and gasoline are dead. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 14:49:37 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 14:32:37 2021. It's not anything close to "irrational fear". The water-cooled technology is highly flawed, requires somewhat dangerous maintenance (in the containment area) and that makes it quite costly. That does not mean nuclear wouldn't work, however it requires different technology and scaling that too many either do not recognize or deny it’s feasibility. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 14:50:47 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 14:14:57 2021. Battery powered buses. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 14:52:58 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 13:20:56 2021. It's going to have to happen a lot sooner than that. It needs to hit a majority within our lifetimes or the climate damage it's causing will endanger our species as currently arable farmlands become unproductive. That not only causes food to be scarcer,it will disrupt cultures and profligate conflicts as populations shift. We are already seeing these stressors. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 15:22:10 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 14:48:45 2021. "Oil and coal no longer do."Really? I agree that coal use is slowly but surely on a downward curve, but there still dozens of coal unit trains that go thru my neighborhood weekly. As for all the coal fired power plants out there, it'l be a long time before they either convert to gas or shut down outright. As for oil, can you back up your post that green energy makes more $$$ than fossil fuels?? If that was true, in applying the follow the money concept, why aren't oil companies jumping in with both feet towards solar,wind,green energy etc.? Pennsylvania is sitting on enough natural gas to power the country for at least the next 100 years. Theres big $$$ in that, enough to make a nice profit while expanding fracking & paying the thousands of taxpaying workers employed. Not often mentioned is the gas companies contributing to maintaining the roads to & from fracking sites, employing dozens of local contractors with that. Point being to all this, follow the money and the big bucks(still) is in fossil fuels. Regarding nuclear energy, in Pennsylvania, there are several nuclear plants operating w/o any problems. But with the overall hysteria (Re: Shoreham)regarding any new nuclear energy plants, unfortunately in the USA. nuclear energy's ship has sailed. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 7 15:36:15 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 15:22:10 2021. Good, CLEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAANNN coal! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 7 15:44:38 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 15:22:10 2021. I worked for various industries, in my career as a mechanical design/draftsman. My last job in that field was with Numar, and Halliburton bought them out. The CEO at Numar in the late 1990's told us there would "always" be a need for oil . Numar developed tools to find oil, using MRIL techniques. Magnetic Resonance Imaging -Logging. Very interesting tools with a lot of electronics and magnets.So, I'm on the fence with that "always" statement. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 15:47:25 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 7 15:22:10 2021. Of course you're forgetting the toll on the environment. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 15:51:53 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 7 15:44:38 2021. There will no doubt always be a need for whale oil too. The question is, how much? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 15:52:03 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 14:50:47 2021. I used the electric bus for an example. I was talking about cars. This is what the streets will look like when every car has a pole or catenary:
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 15:56:51 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 15:52:03 2021. Almost every car already has a pole in Warsaw (except for immigrants). |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 15:57:45 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 15:52:03 2021. Heh. How long till bumper cars start running on batteries? Or maybe they already do. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 15:59:41 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 15:56:51 2021. A friend of mine in college managed to devise an ethnic slur by contemplating a ski area where you could lock up your ski poles securely while you were taking a break. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 16:04:25 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 7 15:56:51 2021. Cracow too. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 16:06:24 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 7 15:57:45 2021. How long before they require helmets and seatbelts in this snowflake times of ours? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 7 16:10:28 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 7 15:52:03 2021. That would be awesome! |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Mar 7 16:43:46 2021, in response to Re: Texas grid operator error, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 7 11:47:11 2021. Have you always been vindictive? |
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