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California crash
Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021 14 dead
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Mar 2 14:54:36 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* Yep
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Tue Mar 2 14:58:53 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* 27 people in the SUV. :(
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Mar 2 15:09:27 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 2 14:58:53 2021.* !Mira, demasiados!
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Re: California crash
Posted by rkba* on Tue Mar 2 16:08:59 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* how can we spin this to be trumps' fault?
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Re: California crash
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Tue Mar 2 16:16:21 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 2 14:58:53 2021.* I'm sure none of them were undocumented
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Re: California crash
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Mar 2 16:24:45 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 2 14:58:53 2021.* How is that even possible?
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Mar 2 16:26:37 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 2 16:24:45 2021.* A caravan!
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Re: California crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Mar 2 16:36:24 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Mar 2 16:26:37 2021.* California Highway Patrol Border Division Chief Omar Watson said there were 25 occupants in the Expedition during the crash and that 13 died, including the driver. The Ford Expedition can safely seat up to eight people. That's too many people jammed into that vehicle, no one can be properly restrained by seat belts. So this horrific accident happened.
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Tue Mar 2 16:37:52 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 2 16:24:45 2021.* Children, no doubt.
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Re: California crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Mar 2 17:20:16 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 2 16:37:52 2021.* To fit that many people into that vehicle , its would seem like it had to be children, packed in like sardines. Very tragic.
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Re: California crash
Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Mar 2 17:31:07 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* Wonderful. The Ford Expedition seats a maximum of 8. So the obvious question is.......
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Tue Mar 2 17:31:45 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 17:20:16 2021.* The weird thing is that reports now say that some of the occupants were Mexican citizens (not a surprise), aged 20 and higher. Why would American children have been stuffed into what sounds very much like a van smuggling Mexicans?
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Mar 2 18:50:12 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 2 17:31:45 2021.* They should have taken a Ford Fiesta instead!!! (Gallow's humor)
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Tue Mar 2 19:05:29 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Mar 2 18:50:12 2021.* Well, there would have been fewer deaths then.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Mar 2 20:41:26 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 2 19:05:29 2021.* I'm sure they would pack em' in!
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Re: California crash
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Mar 2 21:50:58 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 16:36:24 2021.* Yep. Upon impact, many victims were thrown from the vehicle. Since it was T-boned by a huge truck, several poor souls were forcibly pushed thru the opposite sliding door.
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Re: California crash
Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Mar 2 22:26:18 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 2 21:50:58 2021.* 25 people in an 8 passenger vehicle just 10 miles from the Mexican border. Either they were illegals or a circus clown act - or both!
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Re: California crash
Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Mar 2 23:05:00 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 2 22:26:18 2021.* The Expedition has replaced the VW.
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Re: California/Mexico crash
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Mar 2 23:49:02 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* Biden's fault.
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Re: California crash
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Mar 3 10:10:05 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* Less recruits for MS-13
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Re: California crash
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Mar 3 10:12:06 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 2 17:31:07 2021.* All the seats (except for the driver's seat) were removed. News 12 is saying they're investigating if human smuggling was involved. well, duh...
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Re: California crash
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Mar 3 10:54:33 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* Nancy should speak at the funeral to show her respect for the base.
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Re: California crash
Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Mar 3 11:55:55 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Mar 3 10:12:06 2021.* Gee. Makes me wonder too.
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 12:43:15 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 2 16:24:45 2021.* Seats removed, reportedly.
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Re: California/Mexico crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 12:45:07 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 2 23:49:02 2021.* The day laborer visa program under which these people might have been in the US for the day was in effect under Trump too. And neither Trump nor Biden supported cramming 25 people into a van.
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 12:46:53 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Mar 3 10:10:05 2021.* Uncouth post. The news articles report there is a day laborer program under which Mexicans can enter the US with 1-day work visas. The dawn timing of the accident makes it very likely that that is what these people were.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 13:54:41 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 12:46:53 2021.* No it's not. It was the truth.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 13:55:10 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 11:55:55 2021.* ¡Ay yay yay!
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Re: California crash
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Mar 3 13:56:16 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 13:54:41 2021.* If they were Mexicans, why would they be recruits for a Salvadorian gang?
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 13:56:22 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 10:54:33 2021.* She needs to find out their names and get them on the Democratic voter rolls!
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 14:04:52 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 13:54:41 2021.* You consider day laborers supporting their families in a totally legal way that was also in place during the Trump Administration to be good recruits for MS-13? These are people supporting your ongoing arguments about working your way out of poverty.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 14:05:17 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 13:56:16 2021.* The name isn't relevant, but they could be LA Raza.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 14:21:51 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 14:04:52 2021.* And we know this "back story" how?
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Re: California crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Wed Mar 3 14:35:59 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 13:55:10 2021.* Uh, oh! Something is not legal,here....... removed all the seats.........except he driver's seat...
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 14:36:12 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 14:21:51 2021.* I told you that local news reports describe this day laborer program. What do you mean by "back story." Not my phrasing at all.
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 14:39:12 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 3 14:35:59 2021.* For sure. What we don't know is whether this illegal van was transporting legal day laborers or people who had crossed the border without documentation. Various posters here assume the latter because that's just the way they are. Local news sources are more careful.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 14:39:19 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 14:36:12 2021.* IOW, the MSM is using that angle.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 14:40:16 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 14:39:12 2021.* Various posters in know the dillio.
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Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Mar 3 14:49:32 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021.* Associated Press AP Exclusive: SUV in crash came through hole in border fence Thirteen people killed in one of the deadliest border crashes on record were among 44 people who entered the U.S. through a hole cut into Southern California’s border fence with Mexico, the Border Patrol said Wednesday. Gregory Bovino, the agency’s El Centro sector chief, told The Associated Press that surveillance video showed a Ford Expedition and Chevrolet Suburban drive through the opening early Tuesday. It’s believed they were part of a migrant smuggling operation. The Suburban carried 19 people, and it caught fire after entering the U.S. All escaped the vehicle and were taken into custody by Border Patrol agents. The Expedition crammed with 25 people continued on, and a tractor-trailer struck it a short time later. Ten of the 13 killed have been identified as Mexican citizens. The rest of those in the SUV and the truck driver survived. The Border Patrol said its agents were not pursuing the vehicle before the crash. The opening in the fence was about 30 miles (48 kilometers) east of the crash in the heart of California’s Imperial Valley, a major farming region. It was made of steel bollards that were built before former President Donald Trump blanketed much of the border with taller barriers that go deeper into the ground. “Human smugglers have proven time and again they have little regard for human life,” Bovino said. “Those who may be contemplating crossing the border illegally should pause to think of the dangers that all too often end in tragedy, tragedies our Border Patrol Agents and first responders are unfortunately very familiar with.” Seats in the Expedition had been removed except for those for the driver and front passenger, said Omar Watson, chief of the California Highway Patrol’s border division. The cause of Tuesday’s collision wasn’t yet known, authorities said. The SUV is built to hold eight people safely, but smugglers are known to pack people into vehicles in extremely unsafe conditions to maximize their profits. The crash happened during the height of the harvest in the agricultural region that provides much of the lettuce, onions, broccoli and winter vegetables to U.S. supermarkets. The community of Holtville where the crash occurred is a no-stoplight town with a gazebo in its large central square and calls itself the world’s carrot capital. The area became a major route for illegal border crossings in the late 1990s after heightened enforcement in San Diego pushed migrants to more remote areas. Many crossed the All-American Canal, an aqueduct that runs along the border and unleashes Colorado River water to farms through a vast network of canals. Barely a mile from the crash, there is a cemetery with rows of unmarked bricks that is a burial ground for migrants who died crossing the border. In 2001, John Hunter founded Water Station, a volunteer group that leaves jugs of water in giant plastic drums for dehydrated migrants.
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 14:50:30 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 14:39:19 2021.* OK, now the local news has a story about a breach in the border wall 30 miles further east that some vans broke through. But of course you knew before the Border Patrol announced it, right?
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Re: California/Mexico crash
Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Mar 3 14:56:38 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 12:45:07 2021.* I thought you were a dedicated Catholic who could give up old-log for Lent.
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Re: California crash
Posted by Easy* on Wed Mar 3 15:00:49 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 12:46:53 2021.* The news articles report there is a day laborer program under which Mexicans can enter the US with 1-day work visas. That doesn't sound right. There are visas for definite terms and for indefinite terms/seasonal, but I doubt that anyone could get a visa for a single day for an undefined duty. No reasonable person thinks that this was anything other than human smuggling. It would be reported already if they were here legally.
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Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 15:04:41 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 3 14:49:32 2021.* No. Lo@lm said it was a day worker program, as the impartial MSM said so.
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Re: California crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 15:05:32 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 14:50:30 2021.* Yes I did.
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Re: California/Mexico crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 15:07:45 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 3 14:56:38 2021.* Do you know what I have up for lent?
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Re: California/Mexico crash
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Mar 3 15:07:54 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 3 14:56:38 2021.* Do you know what I gave up for lent?
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Re: California crash
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 15:08:39 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:00:49 2021.* No reasonable person thinks that this was anything other than human smuggling. Not any more. doubt that anyone could get a visa for a single day for an undefined duty. The articles that wrote about it suggested it was a very defined kind of a duty. I didn't make up what I read.
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Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Mar 3 15:09:04 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:04:41 2021.*
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Re: California/Mexico crash
Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Mar 3 15:09:34 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:07:54 2021.* Alcohol?
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