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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:10:56 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:04:41 2021. I described a day worker program. I didn't say these guys were in it.You're the one who made premature assumptions, which turned out to be correct. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:10:57 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:00:49 2021. Exactly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:11:58 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:08:39 2021. It was obviously human smuggling from the beginning. If this were a legitimate program they would not have had so many people crammed into one car. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:14:17 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:11:58 2021. Articles from local news described a program where people walk over the boarder legally from Mexicali and then get picked up by vans. Obviously a van like the one in the crash would have been illegal, but it didn't have to be smuggling until there was confirmation, even though that was the most likely explanation. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:14:39 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:10:56 2021. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:16:14 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 3 15:09:34 2021. Nope. Surfing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:18:26 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:14:17 2021. If this weren't human smuggling, then they might have overfilled a van, but not to this extent. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:18:54 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:14:39 2021. IAWTP. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 3 15:19:09 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Mar 2 16:16:21 2021. I'm sure none of them were legal. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:19:23 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:16:14 2021. You go surfing in the winter? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:19:54 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:14:17 2021. News articles are generally written to elicit sympathy for the plight of the legal/illegal immigrant. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:21:40 2021, in response to Re: California/Mexico crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:19:23 2021. Nope! I don't surf at all! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:22:26 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:19:54 2021. Yep. EVERYONE knows this. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:22:54 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:08:39 2021. I never said that you made it up. It sounds like you either misunderstood or unintentionally misrepresented what was in the article. You used the term "day laborer" and then in a more recent post described people walking over daily for work. Those people are not "day laborers (people hired to work a single job for a day)". They have specific jobs and visas. A day laborer is someone that stands outside of The Home Depot. You don't get visas for that. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Mar 3 15:28:24 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Mar 3 15:19:09 2021. Even the driver? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:52:34 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:22:54 2021. The articles said laborers with one day visas. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:53:20 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Mar 3 15:28:24 2021. The driver was a resident of Mexicali. So he probably did not have a valid visa to be in the US. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 3 15:53:25 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 15:19:54 2021. Everyone knows this but the current administration supports that |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:55:49 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:18:26 2021. I just passed along what the local news outlets were saying. They never said it wasn't human smuggling. They just brought up this other way in which large numbers of Mexican citizens end up in a van.I agree the large number of people made smuggling the overwhelmingly likely reason. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:05:29 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 3 15:53:25 2021. All I want is for the news to be honest. If they don't know if the people are undocumented or not, don't speculate one way or the other. Don't mention laws that no one ever heard of to insinuate that they may have been documented. Just report the facts. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:06:49 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:55:49 2021. I've looked at a dozen articles and never saw anything about a visa for one day mentioned in any of them. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:28:32 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:06:49 2021. Thousands of people cross into the U.S. each day to work in the fields. The harvest of lettuce and other winter vegetable crops runs from November until March, and buses and SUVs carrying farmworkers are often rumbling down the rural roads s in the early morning hours.Link As I said, I didn't make it up. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:40:27 2021, in response to California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 2 14:53:54 2021. see lots of inbreats here are going partisan , but lets not ignore fact that driver was Murican , just making a buck.. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:44:09 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:40:27 2021. I have read that the driver was a Mexican citizen residing in Mexicali. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:45:17 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:44:09 2021. link? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:47:58 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:45:17 2021. Everybody wants to see links. I'm tired of doing it. It's not hard to google. Try California crash driver Mexicali |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:48:35 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:45:17 2021. never mind your right , found link , it seem to be load of day workers heading for farm.you right, me wrong . |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 3 16:50:45 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 14:39:12 2021. Never modify a vehicle to obtain more passenger space and foul up the securement capabilities.Crash update |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 3 16:53:08 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:05:29 2021. Except they do not |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 3 16:54:25 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:05:29 2021. Except they do not |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 3 17:01:10 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:47:58 2021. Linked |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 3 17:12:11 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Mar 2 15:09:27 2021. De acuerdo, amigo! |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 17:42:44 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:28:32 2021. You misrepresented them as “day workers”. They are seasonal workers and have visas for the season. Allegedly that is. IINM the employer gets the visas and who knows what they really do. The overwhelming number of farm worker visas doesn’t go back and forth. I didn’t even know that the visas allowed that. Of course what I don’t k ow far outweighs what I do know. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 3 17:50:28 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 3 17:12:11 2021. they were looking for work in California.Day labor as a Beekeeper |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 18:01:52 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 17:42:44 2021. You misrepresented them as “day workers”.Huh? These are workers who supposedly go back and forth every day. Obviously they have jobs to go to. You are the one who said that if they were day workers they had to be like those who congregate in front of Home Depot. I never said that and I never meant it. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 18:26:29 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 17:42:44 2021. Here's more recent information about day workers, indicating early evidence that that's not what they were.The UFW took to Twitter on Tuesday, citing a bus accident that killed 19 farmworkers in 1974 and another that killed 13 tomato pickers in Fresno County in 1999. Initially, Strater said, the organization thought those involved in Tuesday’s crash might have been farmworkers, but evidence from the scene persuaded them otherwise. “We did think, based on geography, that there was a likelihood that it was farmworker transport,” Strater said. “Once we realized it wasn’t a bus or a van, that started to change.” Strater also looked at the debris photos and noted something missing: lunch boxes. Link |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 3 18:41:52 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 3 14:49:32 2021. Another quality Trump building project. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 18:42:01 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 15:04:41 2021. Are you claiming that AlM was making up facts not in evidence? How dare he? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 18:43:27 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 3 18:41:52 2021. Show that it was part of the wall that Trump built or STFU. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 18:45:35 2021, in response to Re: California crash—SUV came through hole in border fence, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 3 18:41:52 2021. ???It was made of steel bollards that were built before former President Donald Trump blanketed much of the border with taller barriers that go deeper into the ground. Though the "much of the border" claim is exaggerated, I believe, but I haven't been tracking it carefully. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 18:55:00 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 18:26:29 2021. Notice that they realized it wasn’t farm workers when they realized it wasn’t a bus or a van. The deaths they cited in 1974 and 1999 were apparently in vehicles that were used properly. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 19:47:08 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:05:29 2021. Facts are triggering. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 19:48:23 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 15:55:49 2021. IOW, doing word humping and gymnastics as to dance around the truth. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 19:48:23 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Easy on Wed Mar 3 16:05:29 2021. Watch CNN. They have standards |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 19:50:07 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:28:32 2021. Give it up already! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 19:50:59 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 19:50:07 2021. He can't. He's like little zero. Must be right at all costs |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 19:52:15 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:40:27 2021. Wrong, buddy boy! He was a beaner! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 19:53:42 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Mar 3 16:40:27 2021. If you don't mind we asking, what in an "INBREAT"? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 3 19:57:07 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 3 16:50:45 2021. I have a question. Let's say the police or ICE or Border Patrol had pulled over the Taco Bell Cravings Box. And say they ticketed and arrested the driver,detained the occupants to determine warrants, and deported them after that. And saybiy made the news. What do think would happen?? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Mar 3 19:57:52 2021, in response to Re: California crash, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 3 19:53:42 2021. Anyone who doesn't agree with him? |
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