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Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020

Trump unaware of contents of daily intelligence briefing

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 23:51:08 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

Schwarzenegger would have been a much better president.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read?

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 00:52:29 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

CNN? Fake news.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jun 30 01:32:18 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

Now we know he can't do either.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 08:27:22 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

Trump isn't the first president who was adverse to reading daily briefings. Eisenhower could not digest long reports. I heard this story from Jerrold Zacharias in the early 1960's. Zacharias' interest was getting important scientific information to governement.

President Truman had all the government departments prepare a few paragraphs about important infromation for that the President on a daily basis. These were then collated and placed into a 20 page report that was on Truman's desk each morning. The scientific community had a contact within the State Dept. who included any information into the report.

Eisenhower hit the ceiling, when he saw that report on his desk. He wasn't much of a reader. His literary taste started and ended with trash western novels. The reports were stopped. The communications from non-government communities lost their input to the President.

One result was the surprise at Sputnik's launching.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 08:43:57 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

Excepting the fact that if one doesn't read, they cannot lead....successfully.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 30 08:45:59 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

Has to be BS. Another NY Times story (from unverifiable sources) that will have to be walked back in time. Since when did the Taliban have to be paid to kill American Soldiers?

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 08:48:25 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 08:27:22 2020.

Some people arenít readers. Eisenhower had other qualities that made him a good president. Trump is a total dulllard with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 08:58:19 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by bingbong on Tue Jun 30 08:43:57 2020.

How about the liberal science deniers? Are you ever going to respond about liberal shitheads who smoke until they get lung cancer? Just wondering.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 09:21:26 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 00:52:29 2020.

I remember when Obama didn't even want those things anymore.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 30 09:24:09 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 08:48:25 2020.

IAWTP.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 09:49:53 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 08:48:25 2020.

Some people arenít readers.

The important point is whether the non-reader instituted other procedures to keep informed. Eisenhower did not.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 11:17:20 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 30 08:45:59 2020.

???

You don't think Russia paid the Taliban to kill US soldiers? Not even the White House Press Secretary is denying this.

You don't think senior US government employees with knowledge of what happened put it into a report to Trump? Are you saying our intelligence services are so incompetent that they don't recognize that this is a big deal?





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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 30 12:34:43 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 11:17:20 2020.

"You don't think Russia paid the Taliban to kill US soldiers?"

First, lets have some credible proof. Second, Lets go with the reverse, would that mean if the Russians didn't pay the Taliban, the US soldiers would be in less danger?

"Are you saying our intelligence services are so incompetent..."

Did we ever find those weapons of mass destruction???




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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read?

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 12:42:11 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 30 12:34:43 2020.

One thing that intelligence services cannot survive is subversion, where every other agent is a double agent, e.g. John Brennan, Peter Strzok ad nauseam.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 14:12:29 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 11:17:20 2020.

NYT is walking it back to "conflicting reports".

Also, did these same people care when Iran paid $1k bounty to Taliban for US Soldiers killed under Obama admin, which eventually paid out $1.7B in exchange for what boils down to Iranian lip service to our demands?

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 14:17:42 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 14:12:29 2020.

Do you think that when US Intelligence found out what Iran was doing, that either (a) they didn't tell Obama or (b) they told Obama but he denied being told?

I agree this is pretty minor. It's just another of Trump's 10,000 lies.



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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 14:28:09 2020, in response to Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Jun 29 22:59:54 2020.

If Trump's staff wants him to read his briefings, all they have to do is to stamp the top of each page with, "MELANIA'S NEW PRE-NUPTIAL REQUEST"!

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 15:45:40 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 14:17:42 2020.

If the information was unconfirmed it completely makes sense that it would be omitted from the briefing.

That said all politicians lie, the media just hate Trump so they select more of his lies to report on. What's funny is, WaPo (who loves their Trump Lie counter) totally undermined their credibility on that front with this article fact checking Trump's claim that the most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrats. Their own article shows that his claim was 95% correct with one statistical method and 85% correct with another.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 16:06:00 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 15:45:40 2020.

If the information was unconfirmed it completely makes sense that it would be omitted from the briefing.

I agree. But that was not your position in your previous post. You're changing your position to fit what comes out from the Office of official Propaganda.

And I already said that among Trump's 10,000 lies, this wasn't near the top anywhere.







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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 16:18:37 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 15:45:40 2020.

I disagree. There are articles from former spies that such unconfirmed reports are usually included in briefings for the president to decide.

So one of the following is true:

1. It wasn't included in a briefing because intelligence didn't want Trump to throw a tantrum because they were impugning his beloved Putin.
2. It was included in a briefing, but Trump doesn't remember because he's an idiot.
3. It was included in a briefing, but Trump is lying because he always lies.

IMO, 1 is the most likely because apparently NATO allies were briefed. Foreign countries are better allies of the United States than its own president.

So you sincerely believe that Trump does not lie significantly more frequently than any other prior president?

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 16:21:52 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 16:18:37 2020.

The Times claims 2 (included in a written briefing, which no doubt Trump never bothered to read). That sounds very plausible and really includes 1, since they didn't want him to throw a tantrum and so they put it into a report he is obliged to read and doesn't read. All asses covered that way.





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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 17:07:37 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 16:06:00 2020.

I'm changing my position based on new information, which is kindof what you're supposed to do.

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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 17:28:23 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 17:07:37 2020.

Ok, fine. But you didn't indicate that.



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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 19:37:02 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 15:45:40 2020.

the media just hate Trump so they select more of his lies to report on

But Trump lies so much more often that the media actually reports on a lower percentage of his lies than anyone else's.

And the fact that WaPo screwed up one time and reported as a lie a statement with a lot of truth doesn't mean that all their other identification of lies is incorrect.






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Re: Trump was elected to lead not read

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 30 20:43:21 2020, in response to Re: Trump was elected to lead not read, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 30 19:37:02 2020.

Dude that was one they were brazen enough to post as a whole article. A lot of the ones no one looks at are "misleading but technically true" statements. They are "misleading" because WaPo editors are incapable of reading words as they are written and like to inject hidden meaning into them.

This marketwatch op-ed explains WaPo's flawed methodology and provides a table of examples at the bottom.

Lefty publications don't get off on reporting Biden, Obama, or Cuomo lies so AFAIK there's no corresponding tracker for them. But Cuomo had a recent whopper as well.

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