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Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 14:38:10 2020

Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who was captured on viral video pressing his knee into George Floyd's neck until Floyd died, now faces upgraded second-degree murder charges in the case which set off riots nationwide. The other three cops involved in the fatal attempt to arrest Floyd over a mistaken accusation that he was trying to use a counterfeit bill, will be charged as accomplices in Floyd's killing.

Check your need sources for details.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 14:48:43 2020, in response to Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 14:38:10 2020.

Do you agree?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 14:57:01 2020, in response to Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 14:38:10 2020.

So now that the wheels of justice is grinding, everyone can go home and the looters can count their loot instead of continuing their depredations.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 15:08:54 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 14:48:43 2020.

I agree, but I don’t know that they can get a fair trial. Most jurors are not going to want to be the cause of more riots. But Mr. Floyd didn’t get a fair trial either, so there’s that.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 15:14:13 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 15:08:54 2020.



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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:15:53 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 15:08:54 2020.

It doesn't work that way.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 15:17:33 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 15:14:13 2020.

Lol.

Same thing though in this case. Wherever they live, any juror voting to acquit will almost certainly have protestors outside their house and riots all over.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:19:42 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 14:48:43 2020.

Yes, I do. I felt third-degree murder was a little too vague for what we know about the killing, because it is captured on video in its entirety. Second-degree murder has intent as one of its elements; it is clear from the video that Chauvin kept his knee pressed down on Floyd's neck, for several minutes after Floyd stopped moving and breathing, and even after another cop suggested turning Floyd on his side. Even after another cop checked Floyd's pulse and found none, Chauvin didn't budge. I think a good prosecutor can argue that Chauvin intentionally applied lethal force with depraved indifference to Floyd's life.

As for the other cops, they are willing accomplices in Floyd's death, each of them had an opportunity to stop the crime but didn't, and two of them actively took part in it, even after it became clear that Floyd was in grave condition. All four cops ignored not only Floyd's pleas for his life, but those of bystanders. The charges for all are appropriate in scope and severity.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:20:09 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:15:53 2020.

Sure it does. The defense is going to ask for a change of venue to Virginia (which is in Minnesota).



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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:22:07 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:15:53 2020.

The defense will go venue-shopping. I guarantee it.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jun 3 15:27:32 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:22:07 2020.

All they have to do is find some farmers up there who never had radio, TV, internet, or newspapers. Had this been in Michigan, they could have gone venue shopping on the Upper Penninsula! lol

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:37:00 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:20:09 2020.

I was responding to "But Mr. Floyd didn’t get a fair trial either, so there’s that."

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:37:55 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:37:00 2020.

OK. I agree that doesn't mean Chauvin doesn't deserve a fair trial.




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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:39:07 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:22:07 2020.

It's going to be hard, given the nationwide publicity.

I think he's obviously guilty as hell, but even gruesome multiple murderers get fair trials.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 15:41:39 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:15:53 2020.

Ok. I can neither agree nor disagree with such a vague statement.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:50:11 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 15:41:39 2020.

I was responding to Al's: "But Mr. Floyd didn’t get a fair trial either, so there’s that."



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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:52:48 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:39:07 2020.

As I said, he might get a fair trial in Virginia, which is in Minnesota.




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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:53:48 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:50:11 2020.

I never said anything of the sort. You are mixing me up with Easy.



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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 3 15:55:27 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:37:55 2020.

Chauvin should get a fair trial. Thats the way we do business in this country. Innocent until found/proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt by a jury of your peers as I recall. If James Earl Ray, O.J. Simpson, Charlie Manson etc.got fair trials, no reason to doubt that a fair trial will he had here... or there, depending on the venue..
All this, assuming he gets by his check up from the neck up (AKA Psych. evaluation) to see if he's mentally fit to stand trial in the first place.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 3 16:00:30 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 3 15:55:27 2020.

I totally agree with you

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 16:22:38 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 15:50:11 2020.

I said that. I’m not saying that’s legal justification, just that I won’t lose sleep over their inability to get a jury that wouldn’t convict.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 16:30:05 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:20:09 2020.

This case has impacted people outside of Minneapolis. A juror that votes not guilty will be hounded immediately and for years.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jun 3 16:52:27 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:22:07 2020.

Everyone has the right to a fair trial even murderers, or accomplices to.
But that said it's going to be very hard to do.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jun 3 16:53:24 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 16:30:05 2020.

It's almost affected the whole country

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 3 17:00:10 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 15:53:48 2020.

Yeah. Sorry.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 17:30:58 2020, in response to Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 14:38:10 2020.

That's exactly what Mark Levin recommended after reviewing the evidence.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 17:37:46 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:22:07 2020.

All carry a maximum penalty of 25 years.

I suspect sentence will be harshest in Chauvin, lightest on the guy who stood there, and somewhat in between for the other 2 who knelt on his back and legs.

I expect all 4 will be kept separate all the time in prison.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 17:39:26 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 17:37:46 2020.

I think the other 3 will be offered plea deals in exchange for their testimony against Chauvin.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 17:44:36 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 17:39:26 2020.

"The devil (over there) made me do it" ?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 18:45:00 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 17:39:26 2020.

but why do they need testimony against Chauvin? So much of it is on video.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 18:49:33 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 15:19:42 2020.

All four cops ignored not only Floyd's pleas for his life, but those of bystanders.

That's the thing. The psychological profile of a cop does not respond well to being told what to do. They are authority. They are in charge. They tell us what to do.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Dave on Wed Jun 3 18:59:04 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 18:45:00 2020.

They heard what he said during the almost 9 minutes. Could help establish intent.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:07:56 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Dave on Wed Jun 3 18:59:04 2020.

For the last 3 minutes of the 8 minutes, 46 seconds, he was unconscious.

What was the reason to hold him for those last 3 minutes ?
Was that not intent to kill ?
Why didn't the EMT attempt resuscitation ?
Does EMT answer to the cops ?

Seems to me there is a case for 1st degree, which is life in prison in Minnesota. I think he should get the death penalty.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 19:17:04 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:07:56 2020.

What was the reason to hold him for those last 3 minutes ?
Was that not intent to kill ?


To say fuck you to the crowd of people saying things and recording. A lot of cops don't like that they are being recorded. They don't want a video of them giving in to the crowd going viral and being made fun of by coworkers.



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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:26:18 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 19:17:04 2020.

In this day and age, you gotta know everyone has a phone with a video camera. Was he so stupid to think no one would tell and get away with it ? I guess so.

Minneapolis cops through choking have made about 55 people unconscious since 2015. He must have wanted to be #56.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 19:32:22 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 18:45:00 2020.

Admitting video into evidence requires a witness.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:34:20 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 19:32:22 2020.

Is that like saying they want to "introduce Exhibit A" ?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 19:36:33 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:26:18 2020.

If Floyd had lived Chauvin might face disciplinary charges. He'd be so close to retirement it would not matter and it would just be another YouTube video of the day.

Cops are becoming aggressive towards people with cameras. It is creating confrontations between video holders and cops.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 19:37:01 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 19:32:22 2020.

There were plenty of those. The people holding the phones.

But people can get convicted based on video even when no one is around, can't they? Or are you saying that if I had a video of someone murdering me while I was home alone that it couldn't be used as evidence?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 19:43:01 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 19:37:01 2020.

In your example: Who downloaded the video from the surveillance system? That’s who would be used to lay the foundation.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 19:43:52 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:34:20 2020.

Yes, but they wouldn’t actually say “introduce” in this context. Or at least they shouldn’t.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:50:44 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 19:36:33 2020.

I wonder if Chauvin is aware since he been in prison of all the mayhem he has triggered ?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 19:51:32 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:07:56 2020.

The EMT's, like those who failed to treat Eric Garnet, only saw a Black perp, not a human being for whom they should do their jobs.

That EMS crew needs to be fired:


❌ NO primary on-scene assessment of the patient

❌ NO attempt to open the patient's airway, begin CPR, oxygenation, or defibrillation

❌ No attempt to protect the patient's C-spine when lifting him onto the stretcher

❌ Patient NOT secured to the stretcher when being moved to the ambulance

❌ Patient NOT checked for responsiveness

WHAT...THE... WHOLE...ENTIRE..F*CK???

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:55:31 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 19:51:32 2020.

Would Chauvin and company even let them ?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 20:00:35 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:55:31 2020.

Doesn't matter. If the police or anyone else on the scene are interfering with patient care, you pick up the radio and call for a boss. That will also generate a response from the cops' own boss, which should get the situation under control.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 20:40:18 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jun 3 19:51:32 2020.

You mean they saw an ntrainride?

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jun 3 21:30:53 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 3 19:50:44 2020.

I suspect his attorney may have advised him of such.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Dave on Wed Jun 3 22:00:43 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 3 19:43:01 2020.

+1

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by Dave on Wed Jun 3 22:04:00 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 18:49:33 2020.

The psychological profile of a cop does not respond well to being told what to do.

LMAO! The police are a para-military organization with a chain of command. Unless you are the chief or PC, you have a boss to answer to and a whole encyclopedia of rules and regulations to follow. And even the chief or PC has to answer to a mayor.

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Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 22:21:17 2020, in response to Re: Upgraded Murder Charges For Chauvin, Three Other Cops Will Be Charged Ask Accomplices, posted by Dave on Wed Jun 3 22:04:00 2020.

I know it's paramilitary.

And if you let civilians tell you what to do you make you look weak in verbal or physical encounters(on social media), the higher ups and coworkers will not support you.

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