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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020 If a local business refused to serve you if you weren't wearing a face mask (PPE), would you have a problem with that?
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Posted by Easy* on Sat May 23 14:46:33 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* No. But I would have a mask so it’s not an issue.
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Posted by Easy* on Sat May 23 14:46:49 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* Would you?
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Posted by mtk52983* on Sat May 23 14:49:25 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* Would you have a problem with a baker refusing to serve a same sex couple who requested a custom baked good for a wedding?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 14:49:25 2020.* I was waiting for someone to bring that up. If a baker is "within his rights" to refuse to make a gay wedding cake, then isn't the same baker also "within his rights" to refuse a person not wearing a face mask?
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat May 23 15:01:55 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* The new signs will read: No Shoes No Shirt No Mask No Service
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat May 23 15:11:08 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat May 23 15:01:55 2020.* That they will, as they should.
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Posted by mtk52983* on Sat May 23 15:12:08 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020.* Personally I think the answer to the question is the same at least when it involves customized cakes. My reading of existing precedent leaves some debate about whether a baker can refuse if they have stock cakes or other baked goods in the display case if those are used without customization so that is why I framed it the way I did.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat May 23 15:21:23 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 15:12:08 2020.* Interesting answer. Many people are asserting that a business cannot refuse someone who chooses not to wear a mask, yet support businesses refusing customers whose product and/or service requests violate the store owner's "beliefs". What if the owner's "belief" is that people who don't wear masks in his or her shop, might be spreading a dangerous disease?
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Posted by mtk52983* on Sat May 23 15:29:22 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 15:21:23 2020.* I would not say that many people are asserting that. The First Amendment protects a business from state retaliation if it chooses not to serve someone who is not wearing a mask just as they can refuse to serve at least certain products that would endorse messages they find objectionable (Happy Birthday Dolph, Congratulations Adam and Steve, etc.). It does not protect from private shaming by those who believe that mask requirements are a threat to our civil liberties and post on social media shaming those businesses that require masks for service.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat May 23 15:35:25 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020.* If a baker is "within his rights" to refuse to make a gay wedding cake, then isn't the same baker also "within his rights" to refuse a person not wearing a face mask? For sure. And even if a baker is not within his rights to refuse to make a gay wedding cake, they are still within their rights to refuse someone who isn't wearing a mask. It's not discrimination against a particular class of people. It's the same as "no shoes, no shirt, no service" though with safety rather than decorum being the underlying reason.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat May 23 15:45:37 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 15:29:22 2020.* I would not say that many people are asserting that. Just the entire "I have my freedom - you can't make me wear a mask" crowd. The media may be making it look like they are a lot more numerous than they really are, but they are loud.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 23 16:09:57 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* Absolutely not. I'll go a step further. If they refuse to serve you because you refuse to submit to a temporal scan, I'd support them
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sat May 23 16:13:51 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020.* You were waiting for someone to bring it up? Somehow I thought that was the reason for posting this, to stir things up. Admit it!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 23 16:14:45 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020.* Totally unrelated. Why do you want to muck up the conversation?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 23 16:15:25 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 16:13:51 2020.* you read my mind.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 16:42:04 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* Nope. Not wearing a mask in that situation is like smoking where it is prohibited. It is not only illegal, but forces everyone around you to effectively smoke (2nd hand), and impacting their health.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 16:42:54 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020.* Health of baker is not impacted. Not a good analogy.
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Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Sat May 23 16:42:59 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* I've gone the reverse. I refused to shop at a store that had a mask required sign and served a customer who did not wear a mask.
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Posted by Easy* on Sat May 23 16:49:17 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 16:13:51 2020.* Very true. He refused to even answer his own question.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat May 23 16:56:10 2020, in response to Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:43:41 2020.* Yes. I wear one. The workers do. I don't mind what others do as long as we social distance.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 16:57:25 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 14:58:18 2020.* YOU SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO PHOTOGRAPH A GAY WEDDING
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 16:58:13 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 14:49:25 2020.* I WILL NOT PHOTOGRAPH A GAY ( FAGGOT ) WEDDING
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 17:00:28 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 16:57:25 2020.* What has that got to do with this ? We are talking about transmitting a deadly disease.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 17:01:10 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 16:58:13 2020.* Maybe they don't want you to. Ever think of that ?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat May 23 17:03:51 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 16:13:51 2020.* No, I was asking because there has been much media coverage of people complaining about being required to wear masks in stores, or be refused service. I was expecting someone to bring up the bakery, though. If I wanted to "stir things up", I would have pointed out the obvious double standard myself, thank you.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 17:14:52 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Joe V on Sat May 23 17:01:10 2020.* YAY GOOD
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 17:15:14 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Joe V on Sat May 23 17:00:28 2020.* THEY ARE THE DISEASE
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sat May 23 17:18:34 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 17:03:51 2020.* LOL!
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 17:19:03 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 17:15:14 2020.* You are full of hate.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sat May 23 17:20:44 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 17:15:14 2020.* Bigot!!
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sat May 23 17:21:11 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 16:58:13 2020.* Bigot
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Posted by Mtk52983* on Sat May 23 17:22:59 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 17:20:44 2020.* IAWTP
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sat May 23 17:24:00 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 17:15:14 2020.* YOU LIKE ~~COPS~~BLACKS RAPING ~~BLACK WOMEN~~ HOMOSEXUALS IN THIER CUSTODY FACT
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat May 23 17:27:02 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 16:58:13 2020.* Homophobe.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat May 23 17:27:45 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 17:15:14 2020.* No, bigots like you are a plague.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 18:20:14 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 17:27:45 2020.* He still missed the point of TRANSMISSIBLE disease.
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Posted by Dave* on Sat May 23 18:32:16 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Joe V on Sat May 23 17:19:03 2020.* Very much so.
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Posted by Dave* on Sat May 23 18:33:01 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 17:27:02 2020.* Maybe he's on the down low?
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 18:53:07 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Dave on Sat May 23 18:33:01 2020.* Those who are the most vociferously despising of them - you gotta wonder.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 23 19:04:33 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 17:03:51 2020.* Pathetic.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:07:13 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Joe V on Sat May 23 17:19:03 2020.* BAD EXPERENCES WITH THEM AWFUL
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:07:31 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Dave on Sat May 23 18:32:16 2020.* SO YOU ARE A FAGGOT TOO
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:08:00 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 23 17:27:02 2020.* BAD EXPERENCES WITH THEM AWFUL
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:08:13 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Joe V on Sat May 23 18:53:07 2020.* BAD EXPERENCES WITH THEM AWFUL
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:08:30 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 17:20:44 2020.* BAD EXPERENCES WITH THEM AWFUL
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:08:41 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 17:21:11 2020.* BAD EXPERENCES WITH THEM AWFUL
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 23 19:08:42 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 23 19:07:13 2020.* You asked one out for a date ?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:08:58 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Mtk52983 on Sat May 23 17:22:59 2020.* BAD EXPERENCES WITH THEM AWFUL
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Sat May 23 19:09:14 2020, in response to Re: Question, posted by Joe V on Sat May 23 19:08:42 2020.* HELL NO
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