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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020 and that's what is going to kill us. morons who think "oh, yes my leaders, you know what's best for us better than we do" and don't understand the danger of thinking that way are very ignorant of history.listen, folks, now "they" know what pussies we have turned into. blocking domestic travel...yes, master. close our public gatherings...yes, master. stop educating our children...yes, master. make sure we only listen to the "approved_ sources of information...yes, master. deprive us of our means of acquiring personal wealth...yes, master. make sure that we lose faith in our own common sense...yes, master. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 29 00:20:40 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. what part of the country are you in?what political party do you support? so many variables in how people are reacting to all this. I know people if places like Florida are enjoying time off because it's sunny and mid 80's no rain daily. People are boating or doing yard work. People in Queens are not happy. Reaction varies. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 01:31:41 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. No; more like those at state level with authoritarian tendencies are being exposed. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 01:42:11 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 29 00:20:40 2020. basically, i am extremely uncomfortable with our elected officials restricting our freedoms and the compliance of the people. it's a slippery slope. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 01:46:58 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 01:31:41 2020. truth! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 01:57:34 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 01:42:11 2020. Take note that it's Democrats and RINOs alike doing it. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 02:00:43 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 02:17:56 2020, in response to ., posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 02:00:43 2020. LOL! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 29 02:49:22 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 01:57:34 2020. get some sleep Olog. I want to spend Sunday arguing with you about big butt Instagram models. |
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Posted by The silence on Sun Mar 29 03:18:41 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. Considering I know someone who died of the virus, a dear friend of my grandfather, I think I’m in the fair position to say the following....SHUT THE FUCK UP! Yeah, I’m on the verge of climbing the walls two. Most people are. But this thing is serious. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Mar 29 03:45:40 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by The silence on Sun Mar 29 03:18:41 2020. You're telling a racist moron on the internet to shut up? Why would he listen to you? Why should he listen to you? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 05:38:13 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Mar 29 03:45:40 2020. hey, jackass, by calling me a "racist" you're doing "their" bidding like a good frightened slave should.so....what? now that you called me that term do you think you're gonna get favored treatment by the rulers? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 05:50:48 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by The silence on Sun Mar 29 03:18:41 2020. my oldest brother recently died. so did my girlfriend's father.so what? i looked it up; according to the cdc in 2017 this shows how many people died: Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 so, you knowing someone who died is statistically irrelevent...it just happens no matter what we do. but we don't stop an entire nation. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 29 05:54:32 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 05:50:48 2020. Sorry about your brother. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 06:20:16 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 29 05:54:32 2020. thank you. it's "funny"; when he was 16 he got rheumatic fever. damaged his heart valve.he lived through three open heart surgeries and two pacemakers. fathered two sons (both married and both had two children), was at one point one of the only persons in new york state qualified for steam boiler inspections, worked for the city, quit and was immediately scooped up by an insurance company to do boiler inspections all over the city and long island, was an accomplished sailor and had his own sailboat, and he never left his wife. but what killed him wasn't the bad heart. it was failed kidneys, damaged beyond repair by the blood thinner medecine he had to take. i wasn't being a smart ass with my original post. i just object to what's going on currently as far as reacting to this disease. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 29 11:34:53 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. Dr. Fauci, a longtime infectious disease expert, predicts as many as 200,000 Americans will die from COVID-19, with many millions infected.Following his recommendations for mitigation of this crisis |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 29 11:35:08 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. Dr. Fauci, a longtime infectious disease expert, predicts as many as 200,000 Americans will die from COVID-19, with many millions infected.Following his recommendations for mitigation of this crisis is the "common sense" thing to do. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 11:41:24 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 29 11:34:53 2020. 1.25 million lives are lost every year due to traffic deaths. Would it be common sense to continue staying at home to save these lives? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 11:44:26 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 11:41:24 2020. Apples and oranges.You cant spread traffic deaths from person to person by simply being in their vicinity for an certain period of time. Cheap technique |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 11:51:32 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 11:44:26 2020. We could mandate maximum speed limits to 25 MPH, even on highways. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 12:05:27 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 11:51:32 2020. Changing subject |
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Posted by rockparkman on Sun Mar 29 12:10:30 2020, in response to we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 29 00:02:22 2020. subject line fixed. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 12:11:20 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 11:51:32 2020. We'd save hundreds of thousands of lives every year. People that would otherwise be alive. Sure they may think that they should be allowed to make such decisions, but this is a crisis.We'd need fewer paramedics, fewer hospital beds, insurance rates would go down. The country would be more productive. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 12:13:50 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 11:44:26 2020. You cant spread traffic deaths from person to person by simply being in their vicinity for an certain period of time.Traffic deaths do spread from person to person. You can do everything perfectly and still be a victim. |
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Posted by rockparkman on Sun Mar 29 12:24:30 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Mar 29 03:45:40 2020. <3 TURTLE>>>> POST. OF. THE. YEAR!!!!! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 12:27:33 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 12:11:20 2020. We'd save hundreds of thousands of lives every year.You mean worldwide? US traffic deaths are under 40K per year, and many of those would not be prevented if the speed limit were 25. Also, every legislator who voted for such a law would lose their next primary, and the law would be repealed. In contrast, politicians who have closed restaurants, etc., will not be voted out of office because a majority of the voting public will understand it was the right thing to do. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 12:37:32 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 12:27:33 2020. I meant the US. I thought that it seemed really high. 😂 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 12:49:18 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 29 12:05:27 2020. Hardly, but nice try. Easy made a valid point. Ho much individual choice do we give up for the safety of the masses? Do we ban all candy, cake and sugary drinks to curtail diabetes? Do we ban cheeseburgers to prevent Coronary Artery disease? Ban mountain climbing? Where do we stop? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 12:52:10 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by The silence on Sun Mar 29 03:18:41 2020. Did the authoritarian measures prevent his death? No. Sorry.But you're hijacking the thread. Literally, your grandfather's unfortunate fate has nothing to do with what the OP said. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 12:54:18 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 29 02:49:22 2020. That's one of your worst hijack attempts to date, #37. Not that you can relate to women of any size anyhow . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 12:58:39 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen sanity over freedumb, posted by rockparkman on Sun Mar 29 12:10:30 2020. LOL, figured you'd call authoritarianism "sanity", rocKKKparKKKnazi. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:01:20 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 12:52:10 2020. Literally, your grandfather's unfortunate fate has nothing to do with what the OP said.Yes it does. If the OP's advice were being followed, many more similar deaths would have occurred, people would be dying on gurneys in hospital corridors, medical workers would be dying in far greater numbers than they are, some dead bodies wouldn't get picked up because there wouldn't be enough working ambulance crews, etc. And his grandfather remains alive, by the way. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 29 13:12:53 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 12:49:18 2020. GOOD POINT |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 29 13:15:23 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 11:41:24 2020. The difference is the present situation is a temporary emergency. If it was an ongoing forever problem like traffic accidents then isolation wouldn't be practical. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:18:39 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 29 13:15:23 2020. Well I had the numbers wrong, but what about if this mutates and comes back again next year? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 13:18:48 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 29 13:15:23 2020. It could be temporary. Then again, despite all the measures taken so far, incidents are still increasing. Hard to see this as temporary at this point |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 13:20:16 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:18:39 2020. The flu is back each year. It kills thousands each year. We've adapted. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 13:22:53 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 13:20:16 2020. Multiple tens of thousands (myriads) in the USA, per the CDC estimates. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 29 13:24:04 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 12:49:18 2020. What people don’t realize is that we lack the resources to treat so many people simultaneously. That’s the whole reason for “flattening the curve.” Would you like it if your loved ones were left to die on the street? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 13:24:11 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 13:18:48 2020. The numbers of infected people officially listed are still increasing, due to the increased number of actual verifiable positive tests. Funny enough, that doesn't mean that the infection rate is going up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 13:25:24 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 29 11:51:32 2020. That'll be awesome for the trucks, wouldn't it. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 29 13:29:00 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 29 12:58:39 2020. Why can’t you be pretty like the other female Russian Agents????? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:37:15 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:18:39 2020. By next year our medical system will be able to handle more people needing the ICU at any given time.Also, it's probably fairly unlikely that it would so completely mutate that everyone who gets it this year will have no immunity to next year's version. Also, if it mutates, it might not continue to be so ultra-sneaky, whereby you can be spreading the virus for days without knowing you're infected, but with the virus still being quite deadly in the longer term. It's the sneakiness of this particular strain that makes it so bad. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:41:30 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 29 13:24:04 2020. Please, you exaggerate. They wouldn't die in the street. They'd die on a gurney in a hospital corridor. :(What people also don't realize is how many people have those "compromised respiratory systems" that lead to death or permanent disability. Even a mild case of chronic asthma makes younger people be at far greater risk than the "average." The difference between this and the flu, in addition to the factor of 10 in death rate, is that a flu causes people to die at 89 who otherwise would have lived to 91. This kills off and disables a lot of people who were really quite healthy and not at all infirm, just not in perfect health. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:44:29 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:37:15 2020. I don't know. I was watching an epidemiologist answer that same question and she didn't quite have your confidence.We'll be better prepared for sure and without mutation many will already have gotten it and be inoculated. But if this or something similar comes, we won't be fully prepared unless we have 100% more hospital beds and medical professionals on standby. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 29 13:44:48 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Mar 29 13:29:00 2020. How do you know he (or she) isn't. Olog never posted a picture. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:45:22 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:41:30 2020. Multiple reports of people in many countries dying in their homes. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:47:05 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 29 13:44:48 2020. I don't know what he looks like but I think that I know his degree, the industry that he works in, where he grew up, about where he lives, and about where he works.People may know the same about me. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:52:13 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 13:44:29 2020. your confidence??? How many maybes and likelys did I use? I'm not certain of anything. I was just bringing up other possibilities. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 29 14:04:48 2020, in response to Re: we have chosen safety over freedom, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 13:52:13 2020. I was unsure of the meaning of "probably fairly unlikely". |
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