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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020 |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Mar 26 19:49:56 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. lol, sure.There's one governor who declared all workers in the state essential and voided all county and city curfews. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 19:58:53 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Mar 26 19:49:56 2020. Pinellas County will enforce curfew.LEO's need something to do and revenue to generate with crime dropping during social isolation. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 20:06:19 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. Just found out that an attorney I have litigated against passed away from Coronavirus |
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Posted by Jimmymc25 on Thu Mar 26 20:14:04 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. Lol.......,,,what a croc!!!!! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 20:26:20 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 20:06:19 2020. Yikes.Not meaning to minimize the crisis at all, but that's a remarkable coincidence, given that only 1 in 300,000 Americans has died of covid-19. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 26 20:37:54 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 20:26:20 2020. ??? What kind of a response is that? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 26 20:42:19 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. Who here hit up their PayPal link to send them a donation. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 26 20:45:00 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 20:26:20 2020. Obviously higher and more relevant for NYC. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 26 21:03:57 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 26 20:45:00 2020. IAWTP. I'm not that surprised it happened. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Mar 26 21:04:50 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 19:58:53 2020. whats the details of that curfew?I find the need to have a night curfew rather telling because as much as I complain, there's nothing to do at night. I guess gangbangers and drug vendors need protection too. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Mar 26 21:05:34 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Mar 26 20:06:19 2020. I'm sorry to hear this. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Mar 26 21:06:23 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 20:26:20 2020. One new york centric news outlet I check on really has the death notices rolling in. People are of every age and fitness too. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 26 21:15:08 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. Funny video |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 26 21:15:35 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. Funny video |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 21:54:02 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. LOL!! |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 26 22:04:20 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 26 21:03:57 2020. Unfortunately the odds say that in two weeks most New Yorkers will know someone that died of covid. |
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Posted by rkba on Thu Mar 26 22:10:51 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. well, no. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 00:25:11 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. I doubt it will be permanent, but from Trump's statement about evaluating on a county by county basis where to relax restrictions, we could be entering some weird "red zone/green zone" world where places like NYC are sectioned off from places relatively untouched. Cuomo already said that locking down NYC & Westchester and leaving the rest open would be unworkable because people would just go next door to free-er areas. Unless, of course, this were enforced...via military. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 01:38:34 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 00:25:11 2020. Yeah, you can't possibly enforce a travel ban between counties or even between states. Neither constitutionally nor practically. Too many people can show some kind of a legitimate reason for travel.Some NYC residents probably own residential property in every single county in all 6 New England states and all 5 mid-Atlantic states at a minimum. Similarly for every big city. The best the "safe" counties can do is counter with PR or partial exclusionary measures. Moab UT got all motels in the county closed down to keep the visitors out. That wouldn't work in Greene County NY (because people visit second homes, not motels) but they are issuing press releases pointing out that they have zero hospitals. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 01:59:02 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 01:38:34 2020. The constitution is already suspended here - the 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble is currently gone. In VA Northam banned churches from holding services, violating 2 of the 5 protections 1A has.CA closing gun stores (as non-essential businesses) violates 2A. So, banning interstate travel violating the interstate commerce clause isn't even on the top 5 lists of constitutional infringements going on here. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 02:08:50 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 01:59:02 2020. Actually I'm behind the curve on this one:Rhode Island to mandate 14 day quarantines of travellers from NYS. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 05:15:21 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 01:59:02 2020. The first likely doesn’t violate 1A because they can just use Zoom or other methods. Closing gun stores likely violates 2A. What is your take on Ohio and Texas trying to deem abortions as elective procedures so that they are not authorized due to Coronavirus? Prof. Eugene Volokh on his website hosted by a Reason has great discussions about each of those issues. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 10:10:03 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 05:15:21 2020. I disagree with closing gun stores violating the 2nd amendment. The amendment is about keeping and bearing arms, not trading them. Obviously you can’t get them to keep and bear without trading, but a temporary closure doesn’t prevent you from having the guns you already bought. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 14:57:15 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 05:15:21 2020. What is your take on Ohio and Texas trying to deem abortions as elective procedures so that they are not authorized due to Coronavirus?I don't like it. While I am pro-life, that's an ideological issue that has no place in an emergency. I disagreed with Pelosi trying to shove abortion funding into the stimulus bill and I also disagree with using executive fiat to close them. I think guns are "essential", they think abortions are "essential", so lets err on the side of freedom and leave both open. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 15:03:15 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 14:57:15 2020. I disagreed with Pelosi trying to shove abortion funding into the stimulus billAs likely as not a false claim. In any case, she didn't succeed, did she? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 17:02:22 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 15:03:15 2020. Thus why I used the word trying. Considering she was asking for funding exempt from the Hyde Amendment, and the Hyde Amendment's entire purpose is to prevent taxpayer funded abortions... like what else is it for? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 17:05:25 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 10:10:03 2020. But it prevents those who become legal age from keeping and bearing arms because they would not be able to purchase, even temporarily. Also what if a gun needs to be repaired? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 17:09:13 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 17:02:22 2020. Thus why I used the word trying.Even Snopes doesn't know what happened in the negotiations between the Democrats and Mnuchin. How is it that you know? Because some right wing news source told you so? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 17:10:59 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 17:05:25 2020. There's also people in states like CA who bought their guns, had to do the 10 day wait period, and the gun stores were closed before the 10th day. They own guns they are being prohibited access to. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 17:19:36 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 17:10:59 2020. That is why I believe 2A is implicated by this. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 17:27:27 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 17:09:13 2020. Looked into it. It looks like the crux of the issue was this:Billman said in an email that “an earlier iteration of the bill provided $1 billion to a program that did not contain Hyde protections,” but said changes were made to provide the funding through a HHS office “covered by the Hyde Amendment contained in the Labor HHS (LHHS) appropriations bill.” Looks like I fell for media doing their usual sensationalization. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 27 17:33:28 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 27 17:19:36 2020. All good points. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Mar 27 18:57:29 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 01:38:34 2020. Yeah, you can't possibly enforce a travel ban between counties or even between states. Neither constitutionally nor practically. Too many people can show some kind of a legitimate reason for travel.Rhode Island is trying, as of 1pm today... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 19:03:07 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Charles G on Fri Mar 27 18:57:29 2020. I think 2 things said in this thread are true. Such a travel ban is likely unconstitutional and by the time the Supreme Court rules as such, the need for the ban will hopefully be long passed. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 20:42:36 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Train Dude on Fri Mar 27 19:03:07 2020. I agree. A lot of unconstitutional things going on, but I doubt anything comes of it... as long as it is temporary and things go back to normal. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Mar 27 20:49:33 2020, in response to America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 26 19:45:50 2020. IAWTP |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 20:53:41 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 20:42:36 2020. Well, people will start suing right away. When cases get to the Supreme Court in a year, the whole court will be saying surely you could have figured out a less restrictive way to deal with this by now. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 21:20:15 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 20:53:41 2020. Supreme Court in a year? There's gun cases waiting for 5+ years to be heard. The plaintiff will be dicked around by lower courts until they run out of money. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 21:31:34 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 21:20:15 2020. There's gun cases waiting for 5+ years to be heard.Like what? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 27 21:37:07 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 27 21:31:34 2020. The first case they've heard in over a decade: New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. City of New York.Filed in 2013. Heard in 2019. A verdict will be delivered later this year. 7 years from filing to verdict. |
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Posted by The silence on Fri Mar 27 22:50:27 2020, in response to Re: America Entering Permanent Martial Law, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 20:26:20 2020. How about if I add the pastor of my grandparents parish, who died today. |
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