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News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:14:08 2020

According to reports from the Los Angeles Times and Bloomberg News, the federal stockpile of N95 respirator masks was depleted under the Obama administration but never replenished, despite two separate recommendations to do so.

In 2005, the George W. Bush administration published the "National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza," which outlined a strategy for the federal government to assist state and local efforts in the event of a pandemic. A key part of the strategy was for the federal government to distribute medical supplies, such as N95 masks, from the Strategic National Stockpile.

Then, in 2009, the H1N1 (swine flu) outbreak swept through the United States, infecting 60 million Americans, hospitalizing 274,304, and killing 12,469, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

During the outbreak, the Obama administration pulled roughly three-fourths of the masks from the stockpile to manage the spread, but never replenished the supply.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 24 11:18:47 2020, in response to News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:14:08 2020.

Trump has had 3 years in office. How many has he replenished?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 24 11:20:31 2020, in response to News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:14:08 2020.

That's because the Republican Congress never funded the purchase.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Mar 24 11:25:32 2020, in response to News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:14:08 2020.

Last I checked he had a REPUBLICAN Congress. Congress has the power of the purse and didn't allocate the funding Obama requested. From January 2017 until January 2019 they could have allocated the funding during Trump's presidency, but they did not do that either.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:56:24 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Mar 24 11:25:32 2020.

"Last I checked he had a REPUBLICAN Congress"

That damn right wing Pelosi trying to give stimulus money to performing arts and the IRS to save our jobs!

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:57:33 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:56:24 2020.

Sorry, saw we and not he, but where is she anyway?
She was in charge of Congress the following year anyway. She was the one who swung that gavel around the streets of DC just 10 years ago.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 24 12:04:27 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:56:24 2020.

Lolwut???

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Charles G on Tue Mar 24 12:44:58 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 24 11:20:31 2020.

Really? Who had control of Congress in 2010 and 2011 in the immediate aftermath of H1N1?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 24 13:10:04 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Charles G on Tue Mar 24 12:44:58 2020.

Facts? She don't need no stinking facts.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 24 19:38:45 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Charles G on Tue Mar 24 12:44:58 2020.

Who had control from 2012 - 2018 ?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Charles G on Tue Mar 24 19:54:28 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 24 19:38:45 2020.

Let me get this straight.

Your argument is that, after depleting the supply of masks in 2009, the Obama administration and the Democratic congress decided to wait a few years before replenishing the supply only to then be thwarted by a Republican congress?

That's what you're going with?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 19:58:58 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 24 12:04:27 2020.

lol - check your favorite news source, if you took the class finally.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 25 12:54:23 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Charles G on Tue Mar 24 19:54:28 2020.

I am saying they are equally irresponsible for that.

But then Trump and his Congress is what cut much funding from the CDC AND disbanded its pandemic unit.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 14:00:39 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 25 12:54:23 2020.

You aren't making sense.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 25 15:35:20 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 14:00:39 2020.

+19

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 25 16:50:07 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 14:00:39 2020.

Yes I am, because it's true. I guess they didn't mention that on Fox.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 25 20:00:57 2020, in response to News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 24 11:14:08 2020.

Seriously?

So far, I'm unbeaten with this Flawless Victory!
My record is Dynamic!



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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 20:05:28 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 24 11:18:47 2020.

You are assuming that he was even aware of the shortage.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 25 20:29:35 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 24 11:18:47 2020.

Lol!

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 25 21:03:59 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 20:05:28 2020.

You are assuming that he was even aware of the shortage.

Any executive must put in place a system whereby critical information reaches him. That executive must also realize that the critical information is usually bad news. Good news can usually handled by subordinates without bothering the boss. Bad news usually requires an executive decision.

The system that the executive puts in place can have the information bubble up. Sometimes it's necessary for the boss to ask a leading question (can you handle this?) and get a truthful answer. The boss hires his subordinates. If the subordinates don't give him the correct answer it's also the executive's responsibility.

What was that sign on Harry Truman's desk about where the buck stopped?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 21:09:01 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 25 21:03:59 2020.

YeAh, I've heard rumors as to how management works. The asshole who was responsible for replenishing the supplies, should be fired.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 25 21:32:33 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 21:09:01 2020.

The asshole who was responsible for replenishing the supplies, should be fired.

What about the one who was responsible for making sure the inventory properly stocked?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 25 21:41:09 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Charles G on Tue Mar 24 12:44:58 2020.

For 2010, an election year (which means legislation shuts down mid spring, around the same time flu enters post-peak for fundraising & campaigning), 2011was republicans. That’s why the purchase remained unfunded.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 22:20:05 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 25 21:32:33 2020.

What about the late trains on the #7 line. Who will you get rid of, the head of the MTA? Remember the sign on Harry Trumans desk .....?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 23:01:10 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 14:00:39 2020.

Why would you expect that he's capable of making sense?

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 23:04:06 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 23:01:10 2020.

I don't, but it's courteous to point it out anyway.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 25 23:06:18 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 23:04:06 2020.

I agree

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Charles G on Wed Mar 25 23:45:48 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 25 21:41:09 2020.

So, you agree, the masks were depleted during 2009 and the Obama administration and Democratic controlled congress did nothing to replenish the supply during 2010.

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Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right

Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 26 10:59:52 2020, in response to Re: News outlets blame Obama for current covid-19 crisis; Bush was right, posted by Charles G on Wed Mar 25 23:45:48 2020.

Yes. And so did multiple Republican Congress's from then on.
They also had other matters on their hands in 2010, like recovering from Bush's Financial Collapse.

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