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Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 12 13:41:18 2019

Spider Pig- still not sure who he'd support
AIM - Doesn't matter as long as he's pro-EU
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Yaakov Hagoel, Vice Chairman of the World Zionist Organization and the Head of the Department for Israel & Countering Antisemitism added that “Unfortunately it is dangerous to identify as a Jew on the streets of the world, enough with the hatred towards Jews. I demand world leaders to show zero-tolerance to antisemitism.”

Last week, France’s National Assembly determined that Anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism, while more than 100 tombstones were desecrated with antisemitic text and swastikas at a Jewish cemetery in eastern France, near Strasbourg.



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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 13:48:45 2019, in response to Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 12 13:41:18 2019.

My preferred candidate would in fact be Jo Swinson. Would you care to find something nasty to say about her?

And I do prefer Johnson to Corbyn or Farage, but that is not a compliment to Johnson.



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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 14:53:35 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 13:48:45 2019.

Why Johnson? He appears to be more dangerous, since he is actively trying to undermine the British govt.

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 15:38:19 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 14:53:35 2019.

Falange and Corbyn are actively trying to undermine society.

They’re also either racist (Falange), or antisemitic (Corbyn).

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 15:44:04 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 15:38:19 2019.

IAWTP.

Also, Johnson has his Trumpish qualities, but he is smarter than Trump and not quite as willing to sell out his country for minor personal gain.




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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 16:01:53 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 15:44:04 2019.

I agree that he's smarter, but he's using those smarts to undermine the foundation of the govt, meaning that he has a better chance than Trump of doing it. Once you undermine that, the damage will be worse than the socialistic tendencies of the others, IMO, not only because he'll wreck the balance of the govt, but because he will also have freer reign to do damage in other areas. That includes persecuting minorities, even when considering the racist and anti-Semitic tendencies of the others. Those tendencies are by no means good, but I don't think they've reached the level of militant (I hope).

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 16:05:17 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 16:01:53 2019.

but he's using those smarts to undermine the foundation of the govt

I don't see Johnson as being as malevolent as Trump.



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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Dec 12 16:42:36 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 13:48:45 2019.

My preferred candidate would be John Cleese.

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 16:46:37 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 16:05:17 2019.

I see Johnson being at least as dangerous. Trump is more amoral, but he's almost completely impulsive - it's harder for him to create and follow a strategy, so it will take longer to achieve a malicious objective, if at all. Johnson is smarter, wilier, and more focused - he's more knowledgeable about his govt's weaknesses and loopholes, and he's willing to exploit them for his own gain, even if he doesn't throw his country under the bus.

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 18:51:05 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 16:46:37 2019.

The difference is that while I think Trump is pathologically incapable of serving anything but his own interest, Johnson is doing what he feels is best for the UK.

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 18:53:31 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 18:51:05 2019.

Well, Johnson is interested in power and fame too. But he won't sell the UK out to Putin just to get some nice words from the guy.



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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 20:23:51 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 12 15:38:19 2019.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Ireland.

Johnson doesn't seem to give a shit about Ireland, and will probably let Northern Ireland stay in the EU Customs Union, causing a customs boundary down the middle of the Irish Sea. That will push Northern Ireland into the arms of the Irish Republic as soon as Catholic voters are 50.01%. Or even well before, because quite a few Protestants will realize their future lies with the Republic, which doesn't really have an established church any more.









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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 12 21:00:37 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 18:53:31 2019.

I don't think he's doing it for the best of the UK, but, yeah, it seems unlikely he'll sell his country out. I think he was just being a rabble rouser who got chosen for prime minister as "punishment" for pushing Brexit.

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Red Ken Livingston blames "Jewish vote" for Corbyn's defeat

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 12 23:22:53 2019, in response to Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 12 13:41:18 2019.

Daily Mirror

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 13 04:40:10 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 20:23:51 2019.

Hmm.

Sinn Fein got 47% of the vote in Northern Ireland, DUP 43%, and non-sectarian parties who very much want to stay in the EU got 10%. Looks like a solid majority supporting the closest possible ties with the Republic.

Doesn't look good for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland even before considering what might happen with Scotland.



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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 11:11:04 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Dec 12 16:42:36 2019.

Careful, AIM would call him an islamophobe.

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Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 11:11:58 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 12 13:48:45 2019.

"Would you care to find something nasty to say about her?"

Sorry, I don't do work for arrogant dipshits for free.

And considering I made two errors, and this isn't even the right thread, it's telling that you folks are all on a rampage here instad of where the facts are.

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Corbyn announces intention to resign as Labour Party leader

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 13 11:17:05 2019, in response to Corbyn picks up key endorsement in British Election, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 12 13:41:18 2019.

But he won't say when.

Business Insider

Jeremy Corbyn announces he will resign as Labour Party leader

Thomas Colson and Adam Bienkov
Jeremy Corbyn has announced plans to resign as leader of the Labour Party following the party's crushing defeat in Thursday's general election.

Speaking after his reelection as a member of Parliament for Islington North, he said he would remain in his post while the party "reflected" on the result but would not lead the party into another general election.

"I will not lead the party in any future general-election campaign," he said.

"I will discuss with our party to ensure there is a process now of reflection on this result and on the policies that the party will take going forward.

"I will lead the party during that period to ensure that the discussion takes place as we move on into the future."

A devastating night for Labour saw the party punished heavily in the north of England, where the Conservatives picked up dozens of Leave-voting seats they had not previously held.

Overall, the party lost dozens of seats, making it the party's worst result since 1935.

Numerous senior figures are expected to enter the race to replace Corbyn in the coming days and weeks.

Disagreements within the party since Corbyn was elected as leader in 2015 erupted again in the early hours of Friday morning when the scale of Labour's defeat became clear.

Corbyn's allies rushed to blame a combination of Brexit, the mainstream media, and disloyal centrist Labour MPs as they struggled to form a narrative to explain the scale of the party's losses.

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, insisted that the party had lost because the election had been "dominated by Brexit."

Other figures in the party, however, said Corbyn's personal leadership and left-wing policy platform were the primary causes of defeat.

"We're going to hear the Corbynistas blame it on Brexit and the Labour Uber Remainers blaming Corbyn," said Caroline Flint, a former minister who was unseated by a Conservative candidate in the Leave-voting seat of Don Valley. "Both are to blame for what looks like a terrible night for Labour. Both have taken for granted Labour's heartlands. Sorry, we couldn't offer you a Labour Party you could trust."

Gareth Snell, who lost his seat in Stoke Central, said he blamed Corbyn's "disastrous" performance for the defeat.

Phil Wilson, a centrist Labour MP, said it was "mendacious nonsense" to suggest that Brexit was the primary cause of the election result.

"Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was a bigger problem. To say otherwise is delusional," he said. "The party's leadership went down like a lead balloon on the doorstep."

Labour had hoped to repeat its performance in 2017, where the party gradually whittled away the lead of Theresa May's Conservatives and the vote produced a hung Parliament.

But Johnson proved to be a more effective and popular campaigner than his predecessor, and his relentless focus on "getting Brexit done" appears to have paid dividends in Leave-voting areas of the UK.

Speculation will now turn to possible replacements for Corbyn. Frontrunners include Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Angela Rayner, and Emily Thornberry.


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Re: Corbyn announces intention to resign as Labour Party leader

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 13:34:39 2019, in response to Corbyn announces intention to resign as Labour Party leader, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 13 11:17:05 2019.

At least they don't need Term Limits.
If we had this system, I wouldn't be seeing the same people change their positions in a 360, and break precident, due to all of them becoming senile. All of them should've resigned 30 years ago.



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Re: Corbyn announces intention to resign as Labour Party leader

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 13 13:37:48 2019, in response to Re: Corbyn announces intention to resign as Labour Party leader, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 13:34:39 2019.

It's hilarious to see the same people who were ecstatic over Corbyn becoming party leader now cheering on his resignation.

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Re: Red Ken Livingston blames ''Jewish vote'' for Corbyn's defeat

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 13:38:14 2019, in response to Red Ken Livingston blames "Jewish vote" for Corbyn's defeat, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 12 23:22:53 2019.

Yeah, so while everyone breaths happy that little Corbyn is gone (and I couldn't stand that guy before him either), don't let anyone forget that leaked memo that came out that lays out how the bulk of the UK Democrats are all nazi's.

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Re: Red Ken Livingstone blames ''Jewish vote'' for Corbyn's defeat

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 13 13:42:55 2019, in response to Re: Red Ken Livingston blames ''Jewish vote'' for Corbyn's defeat, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 13:38:14 2019.

Labour is not the sole contingent of such people; there is also the Liberal Democratic Party or LibDems. There are also fringe parties like the British National Party (BNP), Scottish National Party (SNP), and others.

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Re: Red Ken Livingstone blames ''Jewish vote'' for Corbyn's defeat

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 13 13:53:20 2019, in response to Re: Red Ken Livingstone blames ''Jewish vote'' for Corbyn's defeat, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 13 13:42:55 2019.

I'm not even going to get into the fringe groups. Canada has a lot of fringe parties, but it's really a two party system, now with some small liberal group that is called the neo-democrats I think. That's fitting since they go around defacing Jewish made products in chain stores and advertising in hate newspapers.

Otherwise, if you go that road, I'm not sure about the states you vote in, but the list every Presidential election cycle, especially in Florida and Texas, is MASSIVE. Did you know we had about a dozen communist running on the ballot every 4 years?

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