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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 15:43:44 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 8 13:37:36 2019.

What the hell is wrong with a party picking its candidates? Bring back smoke-filled rooms!

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 16:19:33 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 15:43:44 2019.

Because "Hillary" is what happens, or in the case of the hispanic for mayor in NYC.
Reality of electibiltyalso matters

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:43:55 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 16:19:33 2019.

Trump is what happens when you donít use smoke-filled rooms.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 8 16:49:11 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:43:55 2019.

The Dems tried a smoke-filled room and it got us Hillary. Had they been willing to cast a wider net in the primary perhaps they land a candidate who can win a general.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:51:57 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 8 16:49:11 2019.

So then both candidates would be poopulists, just from opposite sides of the political spectrum? No thanks.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 18:02:14 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 15:22:16 2019.

Name one.

And no, it's not "Little Michael" Bloomberg.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:22:13 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 16:43:55 2019.

The Dems tried that with Hillary and it burned them

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 20:23:21 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:22:13 2019.

It's too bad that the Republicans didn't do that.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:44:55 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 18:02:14 2019.

????
I said they are not only left, but on another planet. Name one what?

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 8 20:53:43 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 8 16:49:11 2019.

I hate that this falsehood has such a long life. Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries by a comfortable margin.


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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 8 21:14:56 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 8 20:53:43 2019.

Because the Dems made it impossible for anyone to seriously mount a challenge less we forget about people like Donna Brazille or superdelegates who said that no matter what they are voting for Hillary. Kinda hard to drum up support when you would need to take a lot of states in landslides to compete against that.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 8 21:18:47 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 15:43:44 2019.

Can't happen with Bloomberg. Remember when he ran for NYC mayor, he never mentioned a smoking ban in bars & resturants in his campaign. Once in,he started his first volley of nanny state attitude when he let loose with his anti smoking crusade & pissing off many bar & resturant owners (not to mention big spending smokers) who spent thousands of $$$ installing separate ventilation systems to acomomadate smokers & non smokers. Gulianni was a cigar smoker so he had no beef with resturant & bar smokers as long as non smokers had their seperate well ventilated sections.
Just one example that Bloomberg was a another lying conniving politician in addition to a snarky know-it all billionaire.
Now he's going to run for president & maybe turn the US into a nanny country? .
I'don't think so. His game will not play in middle America, not to mention with the far left Democrats out there looking for Trump's job
So Little Mike, I'll have my big gulp as big as I want it, thank you! Just stay home & count your money.

BTW I'sure that your "smoke filled rooms" comment was sort of tounge in cheek (w/o tobacco chaw that is!)

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 21:26:13 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 8 21:18:47 2019.

New York state banned it anyway, which trumps city or local law.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 8 21:33:37 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 20:44:55 2019.

OK. Then there is no one that can run to the left of Trump and win against him.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 8 23:07:41 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 8 21:26:13 2019.

Correct, however the state ban went into effect about a year or so after the NYC ban.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 06:19:12 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 8 16:49:11 2019.

I was at the DNC in 2016, and I can tell you first-hand, there was no backdoor horse trading to make Hillary the nominee. She already had enough delegates a month before she came to Philadelphia. It is true that some states where Bernie had more delegates than Hillary, went with her anyway, but these wouldn't have been enough to overcome Hillary's overwhelming numbers in any case.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 08:12:47 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 06:19:12 2019.

She had enough delegates because the superde

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 08:14:44 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 06:19:12 2019.

She had enough delegates because the superdelegates told the world at the start that they were only supporting Hillary. That made it impossible for legitimate competition from gaining traction unlike 2008.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 08:43:17 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 06:19:12 2019.

Indulge me since this is tangential. I cast votes based on leadership and policy but equally on character. Take the microphones and cameras and public gatherings and interviews away and both Hillary Clinton and Al Gore are/were, in a few words, arrogant and condescending. Most do not see that side. I have spoke with military pilots, as in more than one, who flew said individuals. Those two were as described not so much toward the pilots but rather the young enlisted personnel who were just trying to do their job in a respectful manner and to the utmost of their ability. A slight mark on a glass, a meal not quite hot enough, a cabin a little too cool, a sink a little slow to drain, etc. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, someone I did not vote for (character issues), was warm and friendly to everyone.

I voted for Hillary with eyes shut, gritted teeth, and a clenched jaw. There are so few politicians nowadays that I truly admire and enthusiastically support.

Editorial Note: In lieu of Bill Clinton, I wrote in Colin Powell - twice - a principled wasted vote if ever there was one.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 9 08:51:35 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 08:43:17 2019.

That was a good post.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 09:00:27 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 08:43:17 2019.

Colin Powell - I'll keep voting for that Republican until Alma finally tells him to go ahead and run. I understand he got caught up in the weapons of mass destruction fiasco debacle mess call it what you will, something I feel he genuinely regrets. It is so easy to simply dismiss something like that with the old tired adage "I take full responsibility for my actions and mistakes but now it is time to move forward and focus my full attention on the issues that truly matter to the American people - the environment, the climate crisis, health care for all, pre-K and public education, immigration reform, prisoner bill of rights, police brutality, gun control, and economic inequality." or alternatively, to hold sway over said individual by not so much forgetting as forgiving, depending on your political bent.

Here was another well organized and coherent post by c-rtely-unext. You're welcome.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 09:02:25 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 9 08:51:35 2019.

Of course it was a good post. What possible reason would it not have been?

I just posted another good one.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 09:09:05 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 09:00:27 2019.

Colin Powell - I'll keep voting for that RINO

Corrected.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 09:24:50 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 06:19:12 2019.

Ever hear of superdelegates

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 09:29:26 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 09:24:50 2019.

After 2016, I can't forget them.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 9 11:24:56 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 09:02:25 2019.

Haahahha let me check it out.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 9 11:26:07 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 09:00:27 2019.

Not shabby

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 11:41:12 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 08:14:44 2019.

Sanders wasnít legitimate competition? He just couldnít get the votes.


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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 11:42:16 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Nov 8 21:14:56 2019.

Sanders mounted a serious challenge.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 12:00:09 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 11:41:12 2019.

No he wasnít. His base was college kids, those angry that Democrats anointed Hillary, and DINOís like BILLBKLYN who only voted for him because it would make things easier for Trump.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 12:01:08 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 11:42:16 2019.

No he didnít. He never was in danger of taking the lead from the anointed one.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 12:03:40 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 08:14:44 2019.

That's not how superdelegacy works.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 12:14:22 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 12:03:40 2019.

Superdelegates can select any candidate they want without having to follow who their state voted for. In 2016, Hillary had 572 1/2 superdelegates and there were 96 who did not endorse anybody. Add those together you get 668 1/2. That means Hillary could have been as much of 28% of the way towards the nomination before any state had a say. Considering Democrats donít do winner take all in their primaries, that sort of lead is almost impossible to make up unless you win an overwhelming majority of states or get the superdelegates to flip and there was no indication that the latter was ever happening. With such a monumental head start for their opponent, no legitimate candidate wanted to get involved.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 12:17:12 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 9 08:43:17 2019.

I can see that. Hillary always struck me as a little too aloof and frigid, which means cold. By contrast, when I interviewed President Obama in 2011, I immediately understood why they won the election so handily. They entered the room, shook my hand, greeted me by name (advance people with cheat sheets don't get enough credit. That little trick works, and it's worth its weight in gold), and made me feel as though I'd known them for years.

Obama is a big individual, and when you add that to the fact that they were President, they could be an imposing figure. They had a very winning way about themselves. They knew how to connect. I was only supposed to have ten minutes with them, but they stayed and spoke with me for almost half an hour. That is part of their plan, and I admit it earned them high marks from me.

Bill Clinton could turn on the charm like that, too, so say my colleagues who have met them. Their spouse, not so much. That, more than anything else, sunk them against Trump, a professional television personality who completely understands their medium.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Nov 9 12:20:07 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 12:00:09 2019.

AND give Shrillary one less vote!

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 13:39:07 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Nov 9 12:00:09 2019.

Democrats anointed Hillary

And Bernie took the mansions.

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Re: Never Mind DeBollocks

Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 9 14:01:57 2019, in response to Never Mind DeBlasio, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Nov 7 19:20:05 2019.

https://youtu.be/cBojbjoMttI

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 14:57:15 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 09:09:05 2019.

Figures

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 14:58:37 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 12:17:12 2019.

they

I stopped reading at this point.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:01:04 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 11:41:12 2019.

Hence not a good candidate

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:01:37 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by AlM on Sat Nov 9 11:42:16 2019.

Lol!!

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 19:15:00 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 14:58:37 2019.

C_rtelyounext has requested I use gender-neutral pronouns in my responses to them.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 19:18:06 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 19:15:00 2019.

We apologize.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:29:12 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 12:17:12 2019.

I can't even follow this. Who the F is "they"?

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:36:17 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 14:58:37 2019.

they

This is why Trump will win again.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 9 19:48:05 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:29:12 2019.

Why, "they" is Emmanuel Goldstein.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 20:06:07 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:36:17 2019.

True.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 20:06:44 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 19:29:12 2019.

IAWTP. Although it appears that Mr. ZeeBMT is joking.

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 20:27:00 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 20:06:44 2019.

I sure hope so

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Re: Never Mind De Blasio

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Nov 9 20:30:06 2019, in response to Re: Never Mind De Blasio, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Nov 9 20:27:00 2019.

😂😂😂😂😂

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