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Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:45:40 2019

NYPD Commissioner James O'Neill has terminated former Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo, for using a prohibited chokehold while attempting to arrest Eric Garner, who died shortly thereafter.

See your favorite news source for details.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 12:48:30 2019, in response to Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:45:40 2019.

The whole NYC legal and law-enforcement system perpetuates a lie that can be debunked just by watching a video. It was a takedown maneuver. Anyone who knows a tiny bit about physiology knows that people who are choking cannot speak.

This bit of lawlessness on the part of the commissioner will come back to bite him on his rear end.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility

Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 19 12:55:37 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 12:48:30 2019.

He should've put his hands up. Another one that I saw repeated still last week or the week before. Think it was some campus video.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:56:01 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 12:48:30 2019.

I tend to believe the experts who demonstrated that what people saw with their own eyes was what actually happened, over your opinion of what happened.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 12:56:04 2019, in response to Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:45:40 2019.

Daniel. I wonder why they chose that name?

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:57:11 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 12:56:04 2019.

Biblical names are common.

Stop threadhijacking.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 13:02:35 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 12:56:04 2019.

You saying it's because he's Catholic?

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 13:19:47 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:57:11 2019.

I think you are a bully.

Have a nice thread.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 13:20:14 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 13:19:47 2019.

You got that right.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 13:21:49 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 19 12:55:37 2019.

I go to same barbershop a big Bill.

His last name is Wilhelm.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 13:30:31 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired; De Blasio’s NYC Loses More Credibility, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 19 13:21:49 2019.

He took his father's last name and his mother's maiden name and created a pseudonym. It's typical of commies to change their names.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 13:46:09 2019, in response to Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:45:40 2019.

Using creative writing again?

Anyhow, my brother told me yesterday what was going to happen, since he's "in the know". In 2019, the Mayor, and in turn his underling, the P.C., would rather placate the savages than use evidence to make this decision, so they fire him. Now, what this does is give Pantaleo the opportunity to sue the Police Department and the City in a Court of Law, NOT the NYPD Trial Room. Of course, in using facts and evidence, not emotional hyperbole, Pantaleo will win, so when the trial ends and he wins money, the City/P.D. offers to reinstate him, under the condition that he quietly retires with a vested pension, his "good guy" letter, and his settlement (probrably 7 figures).

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Aug 19 13:49:56 2019, in response to Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 12:45:40 2019.

Figures you'd be happy.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 13:55:49 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 13:46:09 2019.

I seriously disagree. If Pantaleo takes the city to court, the NYPD will put on their Patrol Guide expert, a couple of Academy Instructors, and dissect the video.

This won't be as easy for Pantaleo to beat as he might think. Anyway, I think the NYPD will reach a partial-pension settlement with Pantaleo long before any civil case gets in front of a judge. The city doesn't want this dragged out any further.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 13:56:32 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Aug 19 13:49:56 2019.

Yup. I'm am. It's the least Pantaleo deserves.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 13:59:10 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 13:46:09 2019.

There was plenty of evidence supporting the claim that Pantaleo disregarded NYPD procedures.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 14:02:39 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 13:55:49 2019.

A Patrol Guide ISN'T law!!!! You KNOW this already!!!!! He didn't violate the NYS PL , and that's ALL that matters in a Court of Law!

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 14:03:49 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 13:59:10 2019.

Which ISN'T law!!! If a cop goes on patrol in uniform wearing visible earrings, he/she is violating the procedures.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Aug 19 14:04:56 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 13:56:32 2019.

Figures.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 14:07:03 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 14:03:49 2019.

So? You can get fired for violating procedures, if the violation is a serious one.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 14:09:02 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 14:07:03 2019.

But they didn't use court findings and the NYS PL. They did it to placate the Mayor's wife and the savages.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 19 14:17:29 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 13:55:49 2019.

During the Commissioners PC, he stated that Pantaleo is going to have his pension contributions refunded to him.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 19 14:19:40 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 13:59:10 2019.

Repeatedly, in fact. The opportunities to release the chokehold were detailed by the Commissioner in his PC.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 14:29:51 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 13:56:32 2019.

he will be rehired somewhere else !

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 14:31:24 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 14:09:02 2019.

They held a properly constituted administrative hearing at which evidence was presented. There is no need to use court findings. He isn't charged with a crime.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 15:27:44 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 19 14:19:40 2019.

What chokehold?

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 15:31:13 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 14:31:24 2019.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But his firing was political, and nothing more. The PBA already said he's gonna sue to get his job back

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 19 15:43:30 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 15:31:13 2019.

Based on the report of the investigation, that the O’Neal used paints a damning picture. It was a conclusion he concurred with and that report ignored politics.

in the grand scheme of things your opinion matters little.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 15:47:47 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 15:27:44 2019.

eric gardners murder he did

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:03:39 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 15:47:47 2019.

He was still alive on the ground, gasping like the fat slob he was.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 19 16:04:11 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 15:47:47 2019.

No he did not.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 19 16:14:32 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 15:31:13 2019.

"The PBA already said he's gonna sue to get his job back"

You sure he wants his job back?? If I were him, I'd have serious second thoughts.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:24:02 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 19 16:14:32 2019.

He will get his vested pension, with bennies, along with a settlement and go into obscurity.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 16:25:28 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 15:31:13 2019.

I can't comment on whether his firing was political. I can comment on your statement that there was no evidence in support of firing him. That statement is false.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:26:35 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:03:39 2019.

does not give anyone to choke anybody to the death!!
this was cold blodded murder

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:29:02 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Aug 19 16:04:11 2019.

yes he was MURDERED

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:29:41 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:03:39 2019.

i am over weight do i deserve to be murdered for this reason ?

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:30:22 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:24:02 2019.

they will rehire this murderer on another police force

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:36:23 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:30:22 2019.

TNHIW

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:38:05 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 16:25:28 2019.

He didn't break any administrative rules, and medical help was there right away at the scene.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:38:45 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:26:35 2019.

You are right. That's why it didn't happen.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:39:09 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:29:41 2019.

No you don't.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 19 16:45:15 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:03:39 2019.

Which is the point, according to the Commissioner's recount of the events leading to Mr Gardners death, that Pantaleo should have released the hold on his throat. He did not. THAT is why he was fired.

Someone that would do that does not belong on any police force, showing they do not have the ability to exercise good judgment in a tense crisis situation. Police must be up to that task, to ensure they exercise their duties with minimal violence.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 16:45:39 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:03:39 2019.

1. Those were almost certainly agonal respirations. He was unconscious and unresponsive in the video by the time he was supine on the ground.

The responding EMS crew sealed his fate by not doing shit for Garner at the scene. That's why they lost their jobs long before Pantaleo did, and rightfully so. All those two crews saw was a Black man in police custody, and that was enough to cause Garner to become dehumanized in their eyes. That's a deadly thing in any EMS system, and it's why FDNY hits medical ethics so hard these days.

All this over loosies, which the city itself created a market for, by grossly overtaxing packaged cigarettes. Now there's a bitter irony!

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 19 16:46:27 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:38:05 2019.

He didn't break any administrative rules

The finding of the ALJ was that the preponderance of the evidence indicated that he held the suspect in a manner contrary to allowed NYPD procedures.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 19 16:47:41 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:38:05 2019.

Yes he did.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 16:49:04 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:38:05 2019.

1. Pantaleo directly violated the Patrol Guide and several operations orders, and O'Neill's summary spells that out in detail.

2. As previously mentioned, the EMS crews did nothing in a timely manner, and that conclusively sealed his fate.

3. But for Pantaleo's actions, the gross negligence of the medics wouldn't have happened, and Garner would still be alive today.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 19 16:49:21 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:36:23 2019.

Actually, it is. In a year or so, he'll pop up somewhere, usually another state, typically in a smaller city.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 16:50:30 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 19 16:24:02 2019.

I agree. I think that's exactly what will happen. They'll do it to make this go away for good.

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Re: Pantaleo Fired

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Aug 19 16:51:46 2019, in response to Re: Pantaleo Fired, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 19 16:29:02 2019.

No.

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