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American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Dave on Thu May 23 10:09:04 2019


NY Times op-ed


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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:23:27 2019, in response to American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Dave on Thu May 23 10:09:04 2019.

FOX!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Dave on Thu May 23 10:28:07 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:23:27 2019.

Yup!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:37:36 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Dave on Thu May 23 10:28:07 2019.

I'm being serious and not making fun of anyone. Is Fox Propaganda aping Reader's Digest now? Why would you post a link to an article about an article?

The original column is something that people on this board should read.

Two of my favorite quotes:

Then there is the refusal on the part of wealthy progressives to live by the values they profess to support at the national level. Creating dense, economically and socially diverse urban environments ought to be a paramount goal of progressivism. Cities are the standard geographical unit of the global economy. Dense urban areas are quite literally the “real America” — the cities are where two-thirds of Americans live, and they account for almost all national economic output. Urban areas are the most environmentally friendly way we know of housing lots of people. We can’t solve the climate crisis without vastly improving public transportation and increasing urban density. More than that, metropolises are good for the psyche and the soul; density fosters tolerance, diversity, creativity and progress.

. . .

What Republicans want to do with I.C.E. and border walls, wealthy progressive Democrats are doing with zoning and Nimbyism. Preserving “local character,” maintaining “local control,” keeping housing scarce and inaccessible — the goals of both sides are really the same: to keep people out.
(emphasis added).

Also this:

In America the “local” problems plaguing cities are systematically sidelined by the structure of the national media and government, in which the presidency, the Senate and the Supreme Court are all constitutionally tilted in favor of places where no one lives. (There are more than twice as many people in my midsize suburban county, Santa Clara, as there are in the entire state of North Dakota, with its two United States senators.)


Obviously Fox Propaganda isn't going to reference that.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Dave on Thu May 23 11:31:01 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:37:36 2019.

Why would you post a link to an article about an article?

Because not everyone can get through the NYT paywall.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:15:45 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Dave on Thu May 23 11:31:01 2019.

Everyone can get through the NYT paywall.

Archive.is

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:16:06 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:15:45 2019.

Except for AlM. That doesn’t work for him.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:22:44 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:15:45 2019.

http://archive.is/g5iaa

https://unv.is/nytimes.com/2019/05/22/opinion/california-housing-nimby.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20190522204457/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/opinion/california-housing-nimby.html

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu May 23 12:39:32 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:22:44 2019.

The archive.org link isn't immune to the NYT paywall. I couldn't see the story.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:44:00 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu May 23 12:39:32 2019.

I doubt that’s the reason. I can see it and I’m paywalled out at the regular link.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu May 23 12:59:39 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:44:00 2019.

I even tried to open it incognito, and still got nailed by the paywall.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:08:19 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu May 23 12:59:39 2019.

Try one of the other links.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Dave on Thu May 23 13:32:38 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:08:19 2019.

See what I mean?

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:37:58 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Dave on Thu May 23 13:32:38 2019.

I’ve been using archive.is with great results. I don’t understand why so many people are having problems (except for those for whom there’s a filter).

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:20:09 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:37:58 2019.

I can access archive.is and see the article just fine from my home computer.



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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 14:25:11 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:20:09 2019.

GOP38 Chris had an issue.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 16:43:35 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 12:16:06 2019.

And I'm cheap and too lazy!!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 17:09:55 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:37:58 2019.

Your links are working just fine for me. I appreciate your going through the trouble, it's SO helpful with WaPo content, as I don't subscribe.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:12:55 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 17:09:55 2019.

Not much trouble as I use those myself.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 17:13:20 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 16:43:35 2019.

With all the money you claim to have, subscriptions to WaPo and NYT should be so slight you'd never notice.

I don't b cause there's little if any local content on WaPo, and I’ve managed so far within the paywall for truly important stuff.but I'll be making more use of SP's linked site going forward, might need it next year. There's going to be an avalanche of fakenews coming!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 17:14:34 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:12:55 2019.

Thank you!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 18:15:30 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 17:13:20 2019.

You and JayZee are erroneously thinking that I said I have all this money. I'm just a modest pensioner. 😎

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 18:20:47 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 18:15:30 2019.

Not according to what YOU say. Truth is I'M the modest pensioner. And I'm doing okay.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by 3-9 on Thu May 23 18:26:20 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:37:36 2019.

I tend to agree with the original opinion piece. If there is one thing liberals and conservatives agree on, is that they will attack even the vaguest threat to their home and family.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 20:19:54 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 18:20:47 2019.

I just said that the stock market is good to my accounts, which it is. And my pension is nice, as I earned it! Now Excuse me while I eat dog biscuits and put some cardboard on the bottom of my shoes

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 02:40:49 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 20:19:54 2019.

Stop lying, you're as bad as trump.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 03:10:26 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 20:19:54 2019.

But you've stated that your pension is very very nice.



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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 24 03:58:15 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 23 20:19:54 2019.

You have described your pension as "six figures".

That's not "modest" at all.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 04:12:55 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 02:40:49 2019.

Are you really that dense that you don't realize that my comment was made tongue-in-cheek? Do you really think I was eating dog biscuits when I type that and was filling my shoes with cardboard in steps? Come on!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 04:16:16 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by AlM on Fri May 24 03:10:26 2019.

Eh...I get by!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 04:20:39 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 24 03:58:15 2019.

I should go on food stamps it's so little and paltry!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 04:49:07 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 04:12:55 2019.

That wasn't the lie I was referring to.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 06:00:47 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 04:49:07 2019.

Then what were you referring to?

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 07:55:53 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 06:00:47 2019.

Don't play stupid. You know what.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 24 09:21:11 2019, in response to American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Dave on Thu May 23 10:09:04 2019.

I don't need to read the Times to know what's going on in Seattle and California.

Or now NY.


Or what we already knew about Fred G-landia.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 12:16:28 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 07:55:53 2019.

In other words you have no answer for me! Just as I thought!

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 12:19:11 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 12:16:28 2019.

No, you're playing stupid. Are you stupid?

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 24 16:18:02 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by 3-9 on Thu May 23 18:26:20 2019.

The difference is, Trump's wall, while misguided, ostensibly protects all Americans. Gated communities and private security only protect those who can afford them, as far as their residents are concerned they wouldn't care if it was a post-apocalyptic wasteland beyond their gates.

Probably the same sentiment among the wall folk, but their attitude is still inherently more inclusive than rich liberals.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 24 17:38:07 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 24 16:18:02 2019.

IAWTP, but only comparatively. The wall is still a stupid idea.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 24 22:14:18 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by bingbong on Fri May 24 12:19:11 2019.

😘

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Dan on Sun May 26 13:09:28 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by 3-9 on Thu May 23 18:26:20 2019.

As it should be.

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Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 26 14:31:57 2019, in response to Re: American cities are unlivable. Blame wealthy liberals., posted by Dan on Sun May 26 13:09:28 2019.

It's a reasonable thing to do, within limits.

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