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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'' |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:17:41 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:01:54 2019. So? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:17:58 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 15 17:33:55 2019. 0robably because of her ridiculous statement about it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:19:15 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 17:41:56 2019. Lol! It's not just fix. The others do too depending on their political slant. Since many of the others are leftist they won't show one of their lives like Cortes negativity. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:19:50 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:17:41 2019. So it's not 25k NYers getting hired. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:20:29 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 15 17:33:55 2019. AOC celebrated the loss of Amazon.This also means Whole Foods probably won't open in LIC as they would have if this had gone through. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:20:48 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:19:15 2019. Right but FOX would be more likely in the case of AOC. Somebody else would do that with Trump or McConnell. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:21:38 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:20:29 2019. This also means Whole Foods probably won't open in LIC as they would have if this had gone through.And that's pissing you off, there, Keto? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:22:08 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 18:05:54 2019. Of course, and even if they are not currently New Yorkers, they will be when they move here and also using the local economy and pumping money into it right down to the coffee bought at the corner store |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:22:24 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:19:50 2019. That's ok.They still pay taxes as NYC residents, and need housing, and stimulate the local economy in so many ways. How many players off the Mets, Yankees, Rangers, Islanders, Nets, Knicks are from NY? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:23:01 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:20:48 2019. LOL @ FOX |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:23:21 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:19:50 2019. So?? There's secondary economy too. Those workers patronize local stores, restaurants, etc....right down to coffee at the corner deli. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 18:23:49 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:19:50 2019. Which means an increase in the population of people that this state and city should want. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Feb 15 18:24:46 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 17:18:12 2019. I don't know, Fredo. Fortunately, it wasn't your job that they pissed away. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:25:35 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:20:48 2019. Yes. As I said it depends on the slant |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:26:24 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:22:24 2019. Exactly |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:26:30 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:22:24 2019. So it's not 25k jobs that were lost then. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Feb 15 18:26:31 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 18:06:39 2019. What claim should I not be believing, Joey? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 18:26:53 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:26:30 2019. How do you figure? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:27:35 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:26:30 2019. ??? How do you figure that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:27:55 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 18:26:53 2019. If those jobs were already filled then its not 25k NYers that would have job opportunities. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:28:32 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Feb 15 18:24:46 2019. Too bad you dont know anyting. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:29:33 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:27:35 2019. If Amazon brings their own people to NY, they're not hiring 25k NYers. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 18:32:44 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:27:35 2019. When you factor in all of the support businesses it's probably more like 50,000 jobs. When you add in all the new teachers, store clerks, restaurant employees, bar workers, and on and on, it's more like 75,000 jobs. But those are 75,000 jobs that NYers don't want. I'm ok with that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:39:24 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:21:38 2019. And that's pissing you off, there, Keto?it should also piss off people who need a dietary intervention. Many who post here are in need of just that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:40:13 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:39:24 2019. I'm making beef with chimichurri. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:40:25 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:29:33 2019. It's bringing that many people to New York to work. Some will be New Yorkers some won't. Either way 25,000 more people are walking around there, involved in the economy |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:41:16 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 18:32:44 2019. People like FredAnyone that says it's not a good thing is out of their mind |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:42:42 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:26:30 2019. it was 25k jobs lost.Income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and other measurable revenue streams are now lost. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 18:43:27 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:41:16 2019. The people that don't want the jobs, I agree. The people that oppose the tax break, well that's more complicated. I can understand that position. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:44:09 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:40:13 2019. good.Fat and protein are great energy sources. Jeff Bezos does a keto diet. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:44:13 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:42:42 2019. As well as 25,000 people patronizing local businesses. and not just in LIC... these people would have moved to other areas nearby. Also, patronizing those local businesses |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 19:01:16 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 18:32:44 2019. Over 10 years it was estimated at a total of 105-110k jobs additional to Amazon's. Of course not all of those jobs would be 6 figure but jobs nonetheless.Amazon had also agreed to fund projects like a 600 seat school and other infrastructure including creating open space in a Payment In Lieu Of Taxes (PILOT) program estimated at $600 million over 4 decades. Amazon was willing to kick in over $200 million for infrastructure beefup, including water and sewer and also a new LIRR station. Even with that local officials estimated they were about $1 billion short. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 19:02:48 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 18:40:25 2019. Of course and see my other post as to the projected improvements that would have accompanied this. I hear people say things like "oh there are 25K NYers that won't get hired" which may or may not be true. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 19:07:50 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 19:02:48 2019. I'm sure the same is true of their Virginia location.Some will commute from DC and definitely from MD. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 19:10:03 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:15:33 2019. It's all about money. It always is. Cost of living and salaries I would think are lower in Fairfax County than Queens. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 19:10:06 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 19:07:50 2019. Not what we’re talking about. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 19:23:08 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Feb 15 18:26:31 2019. I am trying to respectful.They claimed 25,000 jobs at an average $150K as a GOAL. It was backrooms deals, and little buy-in from all stakeholders. And it was done quickly. If it was open dialogue and pushed into specifics about who, what, and when, they would not be able to answer. So I suspect they used the local NIMBY's as an excuse and quit just as fast, because I think it was hoax. Companies just don't hire x number of people because they have a lot of money and they have a building. They do it when they have work to get done. I have been in IT 39 years next month, 30 of those years for Fortune 500. I know how things work. What would all these people do ? If they are IT nowadays, 80% of them are Offshore or H1-B status. Their firms get huge profit margins, the workers get 1/3rd and 2/rds respectively of the domestic salary. The rest goes to their firms like Cognizant, who are NOT in LIC. So they claim it is $150K per job, but the purchasing power is not in LIC. IT is also an overhead expense that does not grow proportionately with sales volume. Who else could it be ? Lawyers ? Finance Department - that's also an overhead expense. Sales ? Maybe. It's not a warehouse. Then there's the tax breaks. They run for x number of years and when X number of years are done, they leave town for the next city that bribes them. Look at what NS Railway is doing with HQ's and Dispatching centers. They keep moving. They have no commitment to any place. "When it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 19:23:44 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 19:10:06 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 19:34:48 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 19:10:03 2019. Cost of living is probably lower but I would guess salaries are higher. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 19:38:25 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 19:23:08 2019. What they said was that they expected that the employment and salaries would be commensurate with their Seattle HQ and that's what they have in Seattle. I don't know much about the tax breaks but presumably they are based on employment. In other words they don't get full tax breaks without full employment. NYC wasn't giving amazon money after all. They were giving them a tax break. You can't get full tax relief without meeting the employment. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 19:48:20 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 19:38:25 2019. They would still get partial, but as I said the purchasing power of the employees are not what they seem to be. I also wonder if that is full wage and compensation costs, or just gross salary. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 19:56:40 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 18:23:49 2019. Yes it’s more taxpayers and consumers; that’s for sure a good thing |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 20:10:43 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 19:23:08 2019. I hear this word all the time in reference to things like this. WTF is a stakeholder? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 20:15:15 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 19:38:25 2019. And of course, New York gives the “tax break” regardless as Amazon is not paying them taxes at all.Thanks Gianaris. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 20:16:49 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 20:15:15 2019. MSG and Barclays got HUGE tax breaks for renovations and construction.But no one is protesting. With Democrats, #outrageisselective |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 20:20:11 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 20:10:43 2019. Anyone who is directly affected. That means city council members, state legislators, area business, community boards, MTA. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 20:22:52 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 18:19:50 2019. Well, not entirely. Anyone qualified for a position would have a stab at it, including locals. I don't know specifically what Amazon's HR is looking for, but I wouldn’t doubt it wouldn't include NYC residents. And there would be lots of people relocating there no doubt. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 21:19:10 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 15 20:20:11 2019. I don’t consider any of those to be “directly affected” except for the area businesses and to some extent the community board if it's actually representative of the community. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 21:19:58 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 20:22:52 2019. Double negative. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Feb 15 22:11:31 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 18:44:09 2019. I am going to have pizza later on tonight about 11 pm. Probably with anchovies |
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