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"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party"

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 15 09:09:13 2019

"And as a conservative, I'm sitting here with popcorn watching it happen."



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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 09:32:24 2019, in response to "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party", posted by Dave on Fri Feb 15 09:09:13 2019.

She’s the Democratic equivalent of the Teabagger Party. But the Teabagger Party ultimately led to the rise of Trumpism. Be careful what you wish for.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 09:49:51 2019, in response to "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party", posted by Dave on Fri Feb 15 09:09:13 2019.

Yes but a lot of people here think she's a genius.

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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 09:59:26 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 09:32:24 2019.

She’s the Democratic equivalent of the Teabagger Party.

But there are only a few of her.

I am amazed at the thesis that Jeff Bezos, who has shown his lack of fear of Donald Trump and AMI, would take an action out of fear of AOC.



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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:05:10 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 09:32:24 2019.

It was just a few months ago that many here were ridiculing Luch for calling her the future of the Democratic Party. They thought that she was just a low level, insignificant congressperson. Turns out both were wrong. She's not just the future of the Party, she's the present.

I don't agree with AOC on a few key issues, but I do like her passion. Yet I wonder what NYC would look like if her vision were to come to pass. Based on her celebratory tweet about saving NYErs from having to work for greedy corporations, I can only imagine that most top companies would be gone. There'd be lots more people working for the government and maybe some non-profits. And maybe companies would be forced to share profits more equitably with employees. That sounds horrible to me.

I can see the Democratic Party potentially fracturing unless more like AOC get elected and start running the party.

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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 10:12:13 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:05:10 2019.

She's not just the future of the Party, she's the present.

I disagree. She represents about 25% of the Party at most. She is to the left of every single major presidential candidate or possible candidate, including Warren and Sanders.

It is to the interest of Republicans to present her as being representative of the Democratic Party.




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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Feb 15 10:15:01 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 10:12:13 2019.

Yes. That cancer in the Democrats will be exploited to the fullest in 2020.

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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:15:28 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 10:12:13 2019.

It is certainly in the interest of republicans but didn't Michael Moore say that she was the present leadership and that the law should be changed so that she could run for President? I only looked at the headline so I don't have the context. Was that fake news?

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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:19:28 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 10:12:13 2019.

She's likely more mainstream when compared to voters than when compared to elected officials. Baby boomers have run the Democratic Party for the last few decades but millennials like AOC are taking over. She's very mainstream for a millennial in Los Angeles. Not so much for a baby boomer. I'm guessing NYC, Chicago, etc are the same.

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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Feb 15 10:45:23 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 09:59:26 2019.

I am amazed at the thesis that Jeff Bezos, who has shown his lack of fear of Donald Trump and AMI, would take an action out of fear of AOC.

If you are looking for an alternative motive for Amazon's retreat, you might find this article from today's Times interesting. Spreading unionization at Amazon's distribution centers would affect its bottom - big time.

It would appear that unions were trying to leverage the NYS subsidies. Cuomo was trying to broker a deal to permit the union organizing at the Staten Island distribution center. Corporate mentality is to prevent unions from gaining any potential foothold. AOC was a convenient scapegoat for Cuomo, when his efforts failed.

The Times quoted part of Amazon's statement, “A number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward,” Continued lack of union representation at their distribution centers could be construed as one of the "type of relationships" that Amazon requires.


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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:06:30 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 09:49:51 2019.

Which people here think she's a genius?

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:08:11 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:05:10 2019.

I don't like "passion" when I disagree with the views of the person with passion. Hitler had passion.

Now people will say that I'm calling AOC Hitler.

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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 11:17:24 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:15:28 2019.

Yawn. Michael Moore is also way to the left of Sanders and Warren. He is incredibly unimportant.




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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 11:18:15 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:15:28 2019.

Outside movie theaters, few people listen to Michael Moore.

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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 11:18:58 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 10:19:28 2019.

I posted a poll result recently. A majority of Democratic voters consider the most important criterion in a presidential candidate is not their views but their likelihood of beating Trump.



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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 11:19:02 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:08:11 2019.

I like it when politicians are “real”. That they stand for something. With too many politicians I get the impression that they won’t know what they stand for until the latest polls come out. When they stand for something then we can vote our preference. So I like the passion even when I disagree. Whether is AOC or Sanders.

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Posted by Dan on Fri Feb 15 11:25:46 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 09:32:24 2019.

The difference is that whether you like them or not the Tea Party people were basially middle-class patriotic Americans. AOC and her ilk are anti-American in their hearts. As well as being anti-capitalist which is hilarious when you look at what's going on in Venezuela.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 11:32:44 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:06:30 2019.

Fred G, JayZeeBMT, Aim, Ftgreeneg, WayneJay, bingbong.

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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:34:32 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 11:17:24 2019.

He was right about Trump. He may be more perceptive than the average idiot.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:37:17 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 11:19:02 2019.

I don't have a problem with politicians who follow polls. It means that they actually care about what their constituents want. I would not vote for someone with views I mostly disagree with.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:38:59 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Dan on Fri Feb 15 11:25:46 2019.



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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:00:39 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:37:17 2019.

I would not vote for someone with views I mostly disagree with.

My sister does this a lot. She is to the left of Sanders (she really does support government ownership of the means of production in a lot of cases). But she voted for Clinton because she thought Clinton would have a better chance of winning the general election.



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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:05:17 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Dan on Fri Feb 15 11:25:46 2019.

You might find it more to your liking to live in a place like Saudi Arabia where annoying people like AOC wouldn't be able to be heard.



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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:14:47 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 11:32:44 2019.

I said she was savvy.

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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:15:21 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:34:32 2019.

He definitely has moments of great insight*. But his views on the whole don't represent those of the typical Democrat.


* My favorite is still his invasion of the beach in Greenwich, CT.




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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:19:52 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:15:21 2019.

* My favorite is still his invasion of the beach in Greenwich, CT.

That was a great episode.

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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:21:21 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:14:47 2019.

You're too kind.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 12:24:29 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:00:39 2019.

OK, I wasn't talking about tactical voting.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 12:26:08 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:15:21 2019.

But we're confusing two things here. This, and his prediction of Trump's victory are not his political views. He may well be good at predicting outcomes even if you don't agree with his political views.

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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:26:38 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:21:21 2019.

She is.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 12:26:54 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:21:21 2019.

She is savvy. So is Trump, who is definitely not conventionally intelligent.

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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 15 12:28:49 2019, in response to "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party", posted by Dave on Fri Feb 15 09:09:13 2019.

Democrats can get rid of her quite easily. I am sure she did not declare every single penny of earnings as a bartender. Send the IRS after her.

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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 15 12:46:55 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 11:32:44 2019.

Please link to the post where I said or even implied such. Instead of inventing stuff to support your statement(s)... Perhaps, you should provide/state actual supporting facts.

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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:50:24 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 15 12:46:55 2019.

He must be on teh LuchAAA diet lol

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 15 12:52:26 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 11:32:44 2019.

Please link to the post where I called AOC a "genius", or STOP MAKING THINGS UP..

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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:53:04 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 12:26:08 2019.

I've been addressing this post, which suggests that Michael Moore's views are correlated to views of Democrats.



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Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party''

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:55:49 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 11:32:44 2019.

I never said any such thing. I think she's an annoying twerp. But she has the right to say whatever she wants. If Jeff Bezos is afraid of her, that's his problem and not hers.

I also definitely don't believe that her views are representative of the view of members of the Democratic Party.





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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 12:57:20 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 11:18:58 2019.

That's a shame. Then if they elect someone that they largely dot support, it's their own fault. I think the democrats are in a tough place. They have an extremely diverse constituency that is passionate on many issues. Much more so than republicans which have far fewer items on their agenda. If democrats don't keep the people that are passionate happy, the party could split. One of the two parties is going to split. Democrats are on deck.

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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 15 13:02:50 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:38:59 2019.

+1

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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 15 13:03:59 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:50:24 2019.

At least his lists are short that Luch's

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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 13:04:43 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 15 12:52:26 2019.

You're welcome.

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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 13:07:48 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 12:50:24 2019.

ramen noodles

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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 15 13:08:28 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 15 13:03:59 2019.

Luch thinks he knows everything. CMM decided to list OT posters who lean liberal because he was challenged on his statement regarding AOC.

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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 13:08:49 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 12:57:20 2019.

The Democrats already split in 2016. The far left didn't vote for Clinton and wouldn't even consider tactical voting to keep Trump out. They're already rumbling the same way over Harris, bringing up her career as prosecutor.

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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 13:32:36 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Easy on Fri Feb 15 12:57:20 2019.

That's a shame.

No. Anything that replaces Trump with one of the current Democratic candidates is a good thing. And the fact that Democrats are emphasizing electability makes it less likely that their candidate will be Warren or Sanders.



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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 13:34:04 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 15 12:28:49 2019.

How do you audit tips?


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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 13:37:24 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:53:04 2019.

I don't agree with your assessment of that post.

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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 13:38:17 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 11:38:59 2019.

IAWTJPG

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 13:38:43 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 15 13:08:49 2019.

SMFH

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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 15 13:51:37 2019, in response to Re: ''Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a wrecking ball inside the Democratic Party'', posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 12:05:17 2019.

Lol! Except you need to heed your own words, or you seem to think it's crazy to criticize a screwball like her

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