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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 9 19:50:09 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 9 19:02:17 2018. Aside from collusionNo such crime. he has to get by accusations of making illegal payments to the babes Stormy Daniels & Karen McDougal No illegal payments here. And it was Cohen, not Trump. Cohen pled guilty to non-crimes. Now on to unchartered waters. Can a sitting President be indicted? That's not "uncharted". It's established already that no sitting POTUS can be indicted outside the impeachment process. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 21:21:21 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 9 15:55:38 2018. By leveraging Senate passage for legislation they want passed....."add these heinous amendments and I'll pressure McConnell".... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 9 22:05:17 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 21:21:21 2018. So? That's called bipartisanship. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 22:16:35 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 9 22:05:17 2018. No, it isn't. It's very close to blackmail. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 22:19:22 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Dec 9 18:26:09 2018. I wouldn't say that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 9 22:20:28 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 22:16:35 2018. Do you what blackmail even is? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Dec 9 22:25:13 2018, in response to The worst possible outcome, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 9 03:08:45 2018. I think there has been more talk of impeachment since 1996 than there was in the entire 220 year history of the country up to that time. Clinton was impeached, the Dems wanted W impeached and now Trumo. No wonder nothing can get done - we're too busy playing politics. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 9 22:51:31 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Dec 9 22:25:13 2018. the Dems wanted W impeachedAnother forgotten bit of history. The list was long enough for Wikipedia to think it notable enough for its own page. No wonder nothing can get done What should "get done"? Right now, a federal government shutdown is the safest state of affairs for DC to be in. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Dec 9 22:52:46 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 22:19:22 2018. iawtp |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 9 23:00:30 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 9 19:50:09 2018. "No illegal payments here. And it was Cohen, not Trump. Cohen pled guilty to non-crimes." The question is not who made the payments, its where the $$$ came from. If its ever proven that the cash came from campaign funds, that would not bode well for Trump. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 23:15:41 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Dec 9 22:25:13 2018. There was no point in impeaching a President over an affair. Now that the republicans have gone so low, they have to remember that the samecan happen to them, without opposition.The Democratic Party is better than that, but should there be real reason for concern should the facts warrant. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Dec 9 23:38:12 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 22:19:22 2018. Well, let's go by track records. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 10 01:46:39 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Sun Dec 9 15:48:22 2018. But she lost the election. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 09:08:57 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Dec 9 23:38:12 2018. You don't know what Mueller knows. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 09:10:53 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 10 01:46:39 2018. She won the popular vote. That makes this "win" on a technicality. Which, if he was to govern in a manner that reflects this reality, might work out. That has NOT been the case. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 09:24:43 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 09:10:53 2018. The popular vote does not determine the outcome of the election! It's not a hard concept to understand, the Electoral College is what determines who wins the election! But you know this already! |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Dec 10 09:39:30 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 09:10:53 2018. It is not a technicality, it is what the Constitution says. The campaigns would have been a lot different had it been a strict popular vote. There is no guarantee that Hillary Clinton would have won because a number of Republicans in uncontested states likely stayed home because they did not believe that their vote made a difference. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 10 09:50:24 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Dec 10 09:39:30 2018. There is no guarantee that Hillary Clinton would have won because a number of Republicans in uncontested states likely stayed home because they did not believe that their vote made a difference.Of course there is no guarantee, but a lot of Democrats in uncontested states likely stayed home because they did not believe that their vote made a difference. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 10 09:51:55 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 9 19:50:09 2018. No such crime.Yes there is. It's correct name is "bribery." |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 10 10:06:54 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 09:10:53 2018. So you admit that Shrillary Clinton is a witch. Interesting! By the way, you seem to have that in common with her. She lost and you are (lost). |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 10 10:07:32 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 09:08:57 2018. Neither do you! |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 11:20:27 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Dec 10 09:39:30 2018. I doubt that highly simply because there are fewer republicans than Democratic Party members and/or independents. That is why republicans have to rely on voter suppression, manipulating absentee ballots and dirty tricks so heavily in order to win. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 11:28:48 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 10 09:51:55 2018. And/or Conspiracy. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 11:31:41 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 09:24:43 2018. Does NOT change the FACT that he lost the popular vote by Millions . Which makes up m a minority president and he really needs to act like one. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 11:52:34 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 11:31:41 2018. It doesn't make a difference! The bottom line is he had more Electoral College votes than Shrillary, therefore he gathered the necessary amount of votes needed to win, which is what he did! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 10 11:54:08 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 11:52:34 2018. Correct. Replacing the EC with popular vote disenfranchises a whopping 45 states. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 11:59:02 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 11:52:34 2018. Show some freakin respect, asshole. Sec. Clinton won the popular vote by MILLIONS. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 12:01:05 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 10 11:54:08 2018. Not really. After all, those states are underpopulated and thus do not deserve such outsized influence. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Dec 10 16:37:41 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 11:52:34 2018. Why are you wanting your time explaining to her that the popular vote is not the determinant fact in the election of a president. Do you know how many times and in how many different ways it's been explained to her and yet she still does not understand. Her denial of basic concepts and of common knowledge speak volumes of her lack of mental stability. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 17:41:36 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 12:01:05 2018. But you were getting the point of the Electoral College wrong. The Electoral College gives the people in those States an eagle say on who gets to be president. Just like in 2016. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 17:44:15 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 11:59:02 2018. Show some respect for what? Why do you have your twat in a twist? AGAIN, that makes NO difference. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 10 17:46:49 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 17:41:36 2018. No, it gives them a disproportionate say. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 19:10:50 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 17:44:15 2018. The winner of the popular vote. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 10 21:02:48 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Mon Dec 10 19:10:50 2018. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzThere's no requirement that states even bother holding a popular election for electors for President and Vice President. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 22:12:37 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 10 17:46:49 2018. No, it gives them an equal say. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 10 22:14:42 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 22:12:37 2018. No, it doesn't. A popular vote would give them equal say. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Dec 10 22:17:50 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 22:12:37 2018. If you were to give them equal say, California would have 12 Senators as they have just over 12% of House seats |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 23:24:09 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Dec 10 22:17:50 2018. I should have said equal representation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 07:18:01 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 10 23:24:09 2018. Not until they have equal population. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 11 12:59:01 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 07:18:01 2018. That's what the House is for |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 11 13:31:09 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 11 12:59:01 2018. Bingbong would like to have the electoral college eliminated. That would require a constitutional amendment requiring 2/3 of the states to vote for. Can you actually see that many states voting against their own interest? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 13:53:35 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 11 13:31:09 2018. Sure ain't happening. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 11 14:03:39 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 11 13:53:35 2018. Of course not but for a woman her age, it's what wet dreams are made of. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 14:16:59 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 11 12:59:01 2018. I'm talking about reform for the electoral college. That is much needed. A minuscule minority should not have the ability to upend the will of millions and potentially impose an oppressive agenda upon the entirety of the nation.Not the houses of Congress. They have no part in this. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 11 14:20:51 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 14:16:59 2018. LOL, you just don't get it, do you? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 11 14:26:57 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 11 13:31:09 2018. Oh. I thought she was trying to add senators. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 14:37:26 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Dec 11 13:31:09 2018. NPVICYou can also have the amendment ratified by the convention method, which takes state legislators out of the equation. People in small states could be convinced the EC is wrong even though they wouldn’t personally benefit from its elimination. This would have been possible until recently, when thanks to the obvious advantage it confers on the Trump Party, its elimination became a Democratic issue. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 14:39:20 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 11 14:26:57 2018. The Senate should be abolished. Or at least it should become like the Lords in the UK, where they can only delay legislation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 18:54:14 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 11 14:20:51 2018. I do.you don't. That’s clear. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 11 21:04:15 2018, in response to Re: The worst possible outcome?, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 07:18:01 2018. Well, that's just the way it is. |
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