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Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 10 10:25:48 2018, in response to Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 10 02:14:24 2018.

Thank God you are here to tell me that! I had no idea!

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Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 10 10:59:10 2018, in response to Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jul 10 04:05:00 2018.

Attaboy!

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Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 10 11:00:28 2018, in response to Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 04:55:58 2018.

You know what's funny? I watched his speech last night and when he brought up his Catholic upbringing and I saw his name, I thought of you with the Irish Catholic pound sign!

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Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 10 11:14:08 2018, in response to Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 10 11:00:28 2018.

I watched his speech last night and when he brought up his Catholic upbringing and I saw his name, I thought of you with the Irish Catholic pound sign!

I'm glad people are recognizing the hashtag. It's legit.

Hugh Hewitt is going crazy over this.

Some media are reporting that Kennedy agreed to retire if a deal was in place to give the slot to Kavanaugh. #irishcatholicism

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Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 10 17:21:39 2018, in response to Re: The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jul 10 00:50:20 2018.

Maybe I have no desire to tromp around a cave I've been to umpteen times with the likes of you around. I'd say that's far more likely the case than any delusion you've put forward.

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New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should "bribe" Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 12 09:49:54 2018, in response to The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by DanD124 on Mon Jul 9 21:21:30 2018.

Guess the left doesn't care about free and fair elections, but instead horse trading. Never mind the continued Roe v. Wade canard.

Daily "Intelligencer"

How Maine Democrats Can Save Roe v. Wade

By Ed Kilgore
July 10, 2018 6:13 pm
As I observed earlier today, the sad reality of the soon-to-be-intense fight over confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court is that if Senate Republicans stick together, he'll be confirmed, period. And if it does become a party-line vote, Democrats will be forced to choose between (a) taking a dive and thereby angering the many rank-and-file members of their party who rightly fear Kavanaugh will, among other bad things, represent the fifth SCOTUS vote to overturn Roe v. Wade and eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion, or (b) placing pressure on their own Senate Conference to cast a futile vote against Kavanaugh, including several very vulnerable red-state senators who might thereby succumb to Republicans in November. It's a classic damned if you do, damned if you don't situation: surrender or frag your own wounded.

But there is an alternative, though it's quite unconventional and a long shot to boot.

There are two pro-choice U.S. senators who probably share (privately at least) the fears of abortion-rights supporters about Kavanaugh's impact on Roe v. Wade. Susan Collins of Maine is up for re-election in 2020, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska faces voters in 2022, and we have no particular reason to think either is ready to retire any time soon. One of the main reasons each would have for supporting Kavanaugh is to head off a re-election bid in which they might face a right-bent anti-abortion primary opponent and then a viable Democrat. That's particularly true of Collins; Murkowski probably doesn't fear any general election opponent in strongly Republican Alaska. What if Maine Democrats took that incentive for party loyalty off the table by paving the way to an easy general election in 2020?

Let's make this simple: Suppose Maine Democratic chairman Phil Bartlett called a press conference tomorrow and offered to endorse Collins's re-election if she votes against Kavanaugh? If she took the bait, then Democrats would have it in their power to stop the judge's confirmation by their own efforts, and that might justify endangering a Democratic senator or two if it meant forcing Trump to appoint a different kind of SCOTUS justice. And if Collins said "No thanks," then Democrats would have at least demonstrated to their pro-choice supporters that they are willing to sacrifice their partisan interests to principle in so important a matter.

Now let me hasten to add that I don't know Mr. Bartlett, have only been to Maine once in my life (many years ago), and do not possess a single clue as to whether Democrats in that state would even consider making this extremely unselfish Supreme gesture, and if so, whether it could be enforced on potential candidates. For all I know, the people that would be involved in this imaginary deal meet every night to vow eternal warfare against Collins.

But it's as good an idea as I can come up with for a practical strategy that could defeat Kavanaugh. And for Democrats, it makes more sense than making poor Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Donnelly walk the plank and vote against Kavanaugh even if his confirmation is assured. If you're going to do something dangerous in this emergency situation, it should be something that might actually make a difference.

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Re: New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should ''bribe'' Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh

Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 12 10:19:26 2018, in response to New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should "bribe" Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 12 09:49:54 2018.

This would be very roughly akin to McConnell refusing to stage a vote on Garland.

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Re: New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should ''bribe'' Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jul 12 11:08:21 2018, in response to New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should "bribe" Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 12 09:49:54 2018.

Cases like Roe and Casey do not be explicitly overturned to have a substantial effect on a women’s right of access to a safe* abortion. By holding that anything short of a categorical ban is not an “undue burden,” states could enact restrictions that, when taken together, have the practical effect of being a categorical ban unless you are wealthy enough to travel to another state to obtain the procedure.


*Any procedure carries risk so when I use the word “safe” I am talking about making the risk as minimal as medically possible

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Re: New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should ''bribe'' Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 12 15:24:07 2018, in response to Re: New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should ''bribe'' Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jul 12 11:08:21 2018.

No such thing as minimal risk when it comes to abortion. And where is there a right to murder?

Remember, the activists were claiming "safe, legal and rare" when pushing for it. They lied.

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Re: New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should ''bribe'' Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 15:36:09 2018, in response to Re: New York Mag suggests Maine Dems should ''bribe'' Susan Collins with endorsement to oppose Kavanaugh, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 12 15:24:07 2018.

Abortion is safer than childbirth.

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Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 19:57:47 2018, in response to The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by DanD124 on Mon Jul 9 21:21:30 2018.

San Francisco Chronicle

Resisting Trump's Supreme Court pick isn't worth Democratic Senate seats

Willie Brown | July 14, 2018 | Updated: July 14, 2018 11:46 a.m.
Democratic senators in swing states have a tough choice ahead of them on Judge Brett Kavanaugh, President Trump's Supreme Court pick. Their base may not forgive them for voting "yes," but there may not be enough of that base to offset the backlash from voting "no."

My advice is the same I gave to Assembly members when I was speaker and a vote like this came up: Go with whatever will get you re-elected.

No one vote, not even for a Supreme Court justice, is worth costing your party a Senate seat for six years. Especially when the other party is more likely to hold the seat not for just six years, but for decades.

So if someone like West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, facing a difficult campaign in a state Trump won by 42 points in 2016, thinks voting "no" on Kavanaugh won't cost him his job, fine. But that may not be a realistic hope.

And remember that a "no" vote will almost certainly be symbolic, because the Republicans are likely to have Kavanaugh's confirmation in the bag.

To paraphrase Gen. George Patton, in war the point is not to die for your country, but to make the other guy die for his country.

In politics, it's much the same.

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Re: Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats

Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 14 20:38:14 2018, in response to Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 19:57:47 2018.

The trick for Manchin and Heitkamp is to vote the same way Susan Collins votes. Since the Republican goal is to get Kavanaugh confirmed, they always can make her vote first. So if she votes yes, they can say their vote made no difference and not upset their base. If she votes no, they can say the Republicans didn't have 50 on their own.

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Re: Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 14 21:08:17 2018, in response to Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 19:57:47 2018.

They are in panic mode.

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Re: Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 21:28:49 2018, in response to Re: Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 14 21:08:17 2018.

They sure know that they don't have the support they thought they did according to the stories the media made up for them.

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Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: "Kiss my you-know-what"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 23:19:11 2018, in response to The nominee is Brett Kavanaugh, posted by DanD124 on Mon Jul 9 21:21:30 2018.

The Hill

Red-state Dem tells Schumer to 'kiss my you know what' on Supreme Court vote

By Avery Anapol
07/14/18 11:55 AM EDT
Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) had strong words for Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer's (D-N.Y.) efforts to unify the party against President Trump's Supreme Court pick.

Manchin suggested to Politico that Schumer does not have any influence over whether or not he supports Brett Kavanaugh's nomination.

"I'll be 71 years old in August, you're going to whip me? Kiss my you know what," Manchin told Politico, referring to whipping votes among the party caucus.

Schumer has spoken out harshly against Kavanaugh and vowed to oppose him "with everything I've got." Democrats will need at least two GOP votes, in addition to all Democrats, to block the nomination.

But Democrats up for re-election in Trump states are not guaranteed votes against the confirmation, and many have signaled that Schumer's efforts may not be enough to convince them to vote against the nominee.

"My decision won't have anything to do with Chuck Schumer," Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) told Politico. Donnelly, in addition to Manchin and Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) all voted in support of Neil Gorsuch.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) told Politico that Schumer "knows better" than to try to pressure her to vote a certain way.

"He doesn't come to me and say: 'You've got to vote with us on this.' He knows I'll tell him to take a flyin' leap," she said. "I'm going to do what I think is right. It has nothing to do with the party."

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 00:23:53 2018, in response to Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: "Kiss my you-know-what", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 23:19:11 2018.

The house of cards is falling apart.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 07:41:42 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 00:23:53 2018.

Only if Collins votes no and Manchin votes yes. If Collins votes yes, Schumer knows perfectly well there is no issue with Manchin voting yes.

Manchin is just telling his voters he isn't beholden to Schumer.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 09:08:36 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 07:41:42 2018.

They do this dance. It’s kind of like Jeff Flake, lots of rhetoric against Trump but then when it comes time to vote it is what it is.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:22:11 2018, in response to Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: "Kiss my you-know-what", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 23:19:11 2018.

Truth be told, Chuck Schumer was one of a very small number of Democrats who got my vote, and why not? He spoke passionately twice at my daughter's college commencements. He's spoken, albeit the same speech, at each of my 3 oldest grandchild's highschool graduations. I've spoken to him. I like him.

Several months ago I responded to senator Schumer on social media. I told him that hat I didn't approve of his RESIST stance. I told him that he was neglecting the duties he was elected to do by blocking all political appointees and hampering the President. I told him that I could no longer support him and would actively work to support anyone who opposes him. Chuck Schumer will destroy the Democrat party.

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Re: Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:33:09 2018, in response to Re: Former SF Mayor/CA Assembly Speaker: Resisting Kavanaugh not worth losing Dem Senate seats, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 14 21:08:17 2018.

I wouldn't call it panic mode. When Peter Strzok told Lisa Page that he had a plan to stop Donald Trump from becoming president, he was fucking her and he wanted to keep fucking her so he tried using some bravado to impress her.

The Democrats in the Senate are doing the same to the voters. They want to keep fucking them so they pretend that they can stop Trump again. It didn't work out to well for Strzok and it won't work for the democrats. Their supporters will get tired of getting fucked, at least the smarter ones will. The senators know this and are just worried about losing their bed.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 09:35:43 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:22:11 2018.

Did you feel the same way when Mitch McConnell and the Republicans were doing this to President Obama at every turn, legislation and with appointments beyond Merrick Garland?

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 15 09:40:20 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 09:35:43 2018.

Not the same thing.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:52:22 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 09:35:43 2018.

Merrick Garland was a unique situation because it was an appointment by a lame duck president in a presidential election year.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 10:00:16 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:52:22 2018.

So Presidents can only nominate Supreme Court Justices in 3 of their 4 years. If Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies in 2020, and the Senate is Republican, must they wait until 2021 to nominate a successor?

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 10:28:48 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:22:11 2018.

I wish he’d grow a spine and resist more. It’s payback for the Obama years.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 10:32:22 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 10:28:48 2018.

Fred, that's exactly how it expect you to feel.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 10:36:21 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 10:00:16 2018.

After seeing barack obama's two other appointments to the supreme Court, I think Mitch McConnell bis a national hero.As to appointments going forward, it us what it is.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 10:56:45 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 10:36:21 2018.

That's not the point but the obstruction is. Face it you have 2 sets of rules.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 10:57:30 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 09:08:36 2018.

And that's what happened a lot during the last election. People claimed they were going to go for Clinton or they were never going to vote for Trump, but once the curtain was closed....

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:06:04 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 09:22:11 2018.

I also voted for him too.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 11:06:33 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 10:57:30 2018.

Except that the election result was consistent with polls.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:07:21 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 10:00:16 2018.

It wouldn't make a difference because Trump will still be president in 2021.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:08:04 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 10:28:48 2018.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:17:08 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:08:04 2018.

So it is only okay to do when Republicans do it, but payback means two wrongs don’t make a right.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:23:21 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:07:21 2018.

Just like a caution bingbong not to assume, the same applies here. A lot can happen between now and 2020. At this point in 1990, George H.W. Bush looked like he would be re-elected. If the current state of affairs continues and the Democrats don’t realize they have gone too far to the left, Trump will win a second term more handily than he did in 2016, but we are still very early.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 11:23:40 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 11:06:33 2018.

Except, regrettably, in WI, MI, and PA.* There the polls were pretty uniformly skewed Democratic. Though a really knowledgeable statistician understood that there was still a 30% chance that Trump could win those states.


* Probably also in random other states that didn't matter, because the expected candidate still won, just by nowhere near the expected lead, either much more or much less.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 11:28:10 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:23:21 2018.

Trump certainly can win. But he does have the disadvantage that there is a decent size base of conservatives who despise him because they think he is ruining the country. Someone like the columnist Bret Stephens would probably vote for Maxine Waters over Trump because at least she wouldn't have the power to do as much damage.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 11:29:23 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 10:56:45 2018.

Hardly 2 sets of rules. One thing obama said that I agree with, "Elections have consequences." What Harry Reid did also had consequences. The democrats change the rules.


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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:31:56 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 11:28:10 2018.

They may say it out loud, but when the chips are down they are going to vote for Trump because he is a Republican (see Jeff Flake)

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:32:33 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 11:29:23 2018.

And the Republicans changed it regarding the Supreme Court

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:33:31 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 15 11:06:33 2018.

😑

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 11:36:11 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:31:56 2018.

Not all. I have members of my family who never voted Democratic before Clinton.

It may not be a large enough contingent to really matter. I am boggled that it isn't.

I never would have voted, say, for Al Sharpton over John McCain. Maybe it's only Democrats who really believe in the process.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:38:52 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 11:28:10 2018.

That alone would be a sitcom, Maxine in the White House!

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:40:40 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by AlM on Sun Jul 15 11:36:11 2018.

Let me explain to you in layman's terms why people vote for Trump. People are getting jobs right now, unemployment too, especially amongst black and Hispanics, is that record lows. Yes, some jobs are leaving, but that was in motion before the election anyway but for the most part jobs are coming back. The average person doesn't care if Donald Trump says mean things about Mexicans or Muslims or anything like that, as long as they are personally prospering from him being in the White House.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:41:11 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:17:08 2018.

That's not what I said, if Republicans to it it's also wrong.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 11:41:58 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:32:33 2018.

As Barack Obama said, "Elections have consequences."

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:45:56 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:40:40 2018.

That being said, the economy is cyclical so what it is now may not be the same in two years. As things are now Donald Trump is likely to win a second term, but it is still way too early to make accurate predictions.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:46:59 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:41:11 2018.

I don’t see you complaining about the Republicans changing the rules for Supreme Court Justices.

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jul 15 11:48:51 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Jul 15 11:41:58 2018.

Yes, the people elected him twice knowing who he would put on the Supreme Court. That is why Justice Garland was a worthy successor to Justice Scalia. Oh wait...

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Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what''

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 15 11:54:08 2018, in response to Re: Joe Manchin (D-WV) to Schumer on dictating over Kavanaugh vote: ''Kiss my you-know-what'', posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 15 11:08:04 2018.

Actually they do because payback is a deterrent to future behavior like that. Just rolling over is enabling to that behavior.

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