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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 27 10:55:10 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 10:15:17 2017.

Given this particular incident, it seems less like a movement to prevent police abuses and more like an anti-police movement.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 11:22:34 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 27 10:55:10 2017.

Given the long, long history of police killing Black people without cause and getting away with it, even when there is sharp, clear video, I'd say BLM is more than justified in its grievances.

I myself have lost much confidence in the ability of the police to deal with people of color, without shooting them. Philando Castile did everything the NRA teaches gun owners to do when stopped by the police. He still got shot to death, and the cops walked free. In fact, and off-duty (black) cop recently went to assist at the scene of a stolen car crash near his home. He has his service weapon drawn. Two on duty cops ordered him to lie down. He complied, and identified himself as a fellow officer. Recognizing him, the two uniforms told him to get back up and join them. Then a third (white) cop rolled up on the scene, and shot the Black cop without warning or preamble. The kicker? BEFORE being told whom he'd just shot, the white cop trotted out the well-worn, jury-tested, "I feared for my life" trope, exactly as he'd been trained to do.

Imagine if his victim hasn't been a cop.

BILl's criticism of the police in America is accurate.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 27 12:19:58 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 11:22:34 2017.

I agree with you, but that is no reason to ban cops from a parade. That is counterproductive.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jun 27 12:26:35 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 11:22:34 2017.

IAWTP

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 12:29:54 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 27 12:19:58 2017.

Yes, it is.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 27 18:35:41 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 27 03:32:44 2017.

the cofounder of BLM Canada, who helped put the ban on officers marching in the Toronto pride, has gone on record calling the prime minister of Canada a "White Supremacist Terrorist"

The woman called Justin Tredeau a white supremacist terrorist. Let that sink in for a second.




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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 27 18:36:44 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 27 18:35:41 2017.



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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 27 19:50:25 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 27 18:35:41 2017.

#blm is mostly a black dyke movement now.

The few black men down with #blm are suckers who don't know any better and are the ones who can't even get a fat white chick.

The black female is mostly invisible to society. She does not get smiles from many men. Swipes on tinder. If they want children, they mostly have to go it alone because so few of them get marriage offers.

I suspect many turn to lesbianism simply because it's the only chance for many of them to be in any kind of relationship.

They have to engage in this kind of behavior to get any kind of notice in today's world.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 27 20:59:50 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 11:22:34 2017.

Come on! As somebody who will fit you a mess, you came in contact with a lot of police officers and firemen throughout your years. Do you really think that cops just want to shoot and kill black people for no reason?

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 27 21:00:37 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 11:22:34 2017.

Come on! As somebody who worked for EMS, you came in contact with a lot of police officers and firemen throughout your years. Do you really think that cops just want to shoot and kill black people for no reason?

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 27 21:31:44 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 27 20:59:50 2017.

people like you are a bigger problem though.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 28 01:42:47 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 27 19:50:25 2017.

. . . and JayMengele is a genius, yeah, we've heard that all before.

Amazing how you extrapolate all of that from what is most likely less than 0.3 percent of the US population.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 01:50:46 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 28 01:42:47 2017.

Yes, Jayman is a genius and his blog has proven it.

Nice way to lose the argument.



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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 28 07:02:25 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 27 21:31:44 2017.

How so?

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 07:06:37 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 28 07:02:25 2017.

you don't support Planned Parenthood and abortion as a defense against crime.



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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 28 09:58:20 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 01:50:46 2017.

LOL, declare victory like a liberal. JayMengele merely regurgitates what hatemongers over the centuries have spoken and written. That's why he won't post here anymore.

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Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 28 18:00:21 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned(Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 07:06:37 2017.

Abortion doesn't bother me. I'm pro-death!

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Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Jun 29 15:45:08 2017, in response to Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 27 10:14:28 2017.

I bet there's absolutely no overlap between the pro-Islamic marchers in either parade. What's next, Sarsour to organize the events?

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"Intersectionality" & antisemitism (Gay Pride Marchers W/Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 30 14:18:13 2017, in response to Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade, posted by DANd124 on Sun Jun 25 13:03:31 2017.

Bari Weiss (formerly from The Tablet) has some ideas on the subject, with a provocative headline.

NY Times

I’m Glad the Dyke March Banned Jewish Stars

This weekend, at a lesbian march in Chicago, three women carrying Jewish pride flags — rainbow flags embossed with a Star of David — were kicked out of the celebration on the grounds that their flags were a “trigger.” An organizer of the Dyke March told the Windy City Times that the fabric “made people feel unsafe” and that she and the other members of the Dyke March collective didn’t want anything “that can inadvertently or advertently express Zionism” at the event.

Laurel Grauer, one of the women who was ejected, said she’d been carrying that Jewish pride flag in the march, held on the Saturday before the city’s official Pride Parade, for more than a decade. It “celebrates my queer, Jewish identity,” she explained. This year, however, she lost track of the number of people who harassed her for carrying it.

I’m sorry for the women, like Ms. Grauer, who found themselves under genuine threat for carrying a colorful cloth falsely accused of being pernicious.

But I am also grateful.

Has there ever been a crisper expression of the consequences of “intersectionality” than a ban on Jewish lesbians from a Dyke March?

Intersectionality is the big idea of today’s progressive left. In theory, it’s the benign notion that every form of social oppression is linked to every other social oppression. This observation — coined in 1989 by Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw — sounds like just another way of rephrasing a slogan from a poster I had in college: My liberation is bound up with yours. That is, the fight for women’s rights is tied up with the fight for gay rights and civil rights and so forth. Who would dissent from the seductive notion of a global sisterhood?

Well, in practice, intersectionality functions as kind of caste system, in which people are judged according to how much their particular caste has suffered throughout history. Victimhood, in the intersectional way of seeing the world, is akin to sainthood; power and privilege are profane.

By that hierarchy, you might imagine that the Jewish people — enduring yet another wave of anti-Semitism here and abroad — should be registered as victims. Not quite.

Why? Largely because of Israel, the Jewish state, which today’s progressives see only as a vehicle for oppression of the Palestinians — no matter that Israel has repeatedly sought to meet Palestinian claims with peaceful compromise, and no matter that progressives hold no other country to the same standard. China may brutalize Buddhists in Tibet and Muslims in Xinjiang, while denying basic rights to the rest of its 1.3 billion citizens, but “woke” activists pushing intersectionality keep mum on all that.

One of the women who was asked to leave the Dyke March, Eleanor Shoshany Anderson, couldn’t understand why she was kicked out of an event that billed itself as intersectional. “The Dyke March is supposed to be intersectional,” she said. “I don’t know why my identity is excluded from that. I felt that, as a Jew, I am not welcome here.”

She isn’t. Because though intersectionality cloaks itself in the garb of humanism, it takes a Manichaean view of life in which there can only be oppressors and oppressed. To be a Jewish dyke, let alone one who deigns to support Israel, is a categorical impossibility, oppressor and oppressed in the same person.

That’s why the march organizers and their sympathizers are now trying to smear Ms. Grauer as some sort of right-wing provocateur. Their evidence: She works at an organization called A Wider Bridge, which connects the L.G.B.T.Q. Jewish community in America with the L.G.B.T.Q. community in Israel. The organizers are also making the spurious claim that the Jewish star is necessarily a symbol of Zionist oppression — a breathtaking claim to anyone who has ever seen a picture of a Jew forced to wear a yellow one under the Nazis.

No, the truth is that it was no more and no less than anti-Semitism. Just read Ms. Shoshany Anderson’s account of her experience, which she posted on Facebook after being kicked out of the march.

“I wanted to be in public as a gay Jew of Persian and German heritage. Nothing more, nothing less. So I made a shirt that said ‘Proud Jewish Dyke’ and hoisted a big Jewish Pride flag — a rainbow flag with a Star of David in the center, the centuries-old symbol of the Jewish people,” she wrote. “During the picnic in the park, organizers in their official t-shirts began whispering and pointing at me and soon, a delegation came over, announcing they’d been sent by the organizers. They told me my choices were to roll up my Jewish Pride flag or leave. The Star of David makes it look too much like the Israeli flag, they said, and it triggers people and makes them feel unsafe. This was their complaint.”

She tried to explain that the star is the “ubiquitous symbol of Judaism,” and that she simply wanted “to be Jewish in public.” Then, she “tried using their language,” explaining “this is my intersection. I’m supposed to be able to celebrate it here.”

It didn’t work. Ms. Shoshany Anderson left sobbing. “I was thrown out of Dyke March for being Jewish,” she said. Just so.

For progressive American Jews, intersectionality forces a choice: Which side of your identity do you keep, and which side do you discard and revile? Do you side with the oppressed or with the oppressor?

That kind of choice would have been familiar to previous generations of left-wing Jews, particularly those in Europe, who felt the tug between their ethnic heritage and their “internationalist” ideological sympathies. But this is the United States. Here, progressives are supposed to be comfortable with the idea of hyphenated identities and overlapping ethnic, sexual and political affinities. Since when did a politics that celebrates choice — and choices — devolve into a requirement of being forced to choose?

Jews on the left, particularly in recent years, have attempted to square this growing discomfort by becoming more anti-Israel. But if history has taught the Jews anything it’s that this kind of contortion never ends well.

It may be wrong to read too much into an ugly incident at a single march, but Jews should take what happened in Chicago as a lesson that they might not be as welcome among progressives as they might imagine. That’s a warning for which to be grateful, even as it is a reminder that anti-Semitism remains as much a problem on the far-left as it is on the alt-right.


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Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade)

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 1 00:25:38 2017, in response to Re: Cops in Uniform banned (Re: Gay Pride Marchers With Jewish Flags Told To Leave Chicago Parade), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 01:50:46 2017.

He's an egotist who likes to point out to people "how smart" he thinks he is.


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