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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 18:43:59 2017 CNN |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 6 19:29:42 2017, in response to RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 18:43:59 2017. Obamacare lite. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Mar 6 19:43:13 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Mar 6 19:29:42 2017. Sortof, except the pre-existing coverage was the most useful part of Obamacare. To use an alcoholic beverage analogy:Before Obamacare there was just water. The people wanted rum. Obama pushed for wine and what we got was cheap beer. Upon closer inspection, the beer was actually O'Douls (which at least has .5% alcohol). Paul Ryan's plan is to water down the O'Douls. Worst. Frat party. Ever. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Mar 6 19:49:31 2017, in response to RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 18:43:59 2017. people will be cut off |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 6 23:25:49 2017, in response to RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 18:43:59 2017. Total fail. Absolutely total fail. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 23:59:07 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 6 23:25:49 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 01:03:20 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 6 23:25:49 2017. Your girdle? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 7 01:51:37 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 6 23:25:49 2017. Obamacare lite. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 7 02:33:48 2017, in response to RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 18:43:59 2017. I hope it passes and become law. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 03:03:38 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 7 01:51:37 2017. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 08:41:46 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 7 02:33:48 2017. Why? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 7 09:18:30 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 08:41:46 2017. I can see his thought bubble. The people who get most screwed by RyanCare are Trump voters. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 09:36:18 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Mar 6 19:49:31 2017. Can you explain why and how people will be cut off? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 7 09:57:15 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 09:36:18 2017. There are some obvious poison pills.First, individual policies will be paid by providing tax credits. Such tax credits obviously benefit only to those whose tax liability exceeds the amount of the tax credit. If a person's tax liability is zero, they are left with no additional income by which to pay for individual insurance. Under Obamacare, the government provided direct payments to individuals for such insurance, as an entitlement. Second, most people receive health insurance as an employment benefit. Obamacare mandated that employers over a certain size provide such benefits. That mandate has been removed. Therefore, one should expect employers to eliminate such benefits and force workers into the individual policy market. The limitations for individual policies were described in the first point. Third, the indigent are covered by Medicaid. Medicaid is administered by the states but the states are reimbursed by the federal government based on the services they administer. Medicaid will be capped. States will receive block grants that will bear little relation to their Medicaid expenses. Those currently under Medicaid can continue receiving their benefits. However, the cap will prevent more people from receiving Medicaid assistance once it becomes enacted (after the 2020 election.) I trust you see an emerging pattern of reduced health care coverage. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:04:20 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 7 09:57:15 2017. Thank you for the very detailed explanation. It was clear and concise. Unfortunately I was asking Salaam because he often agrees and I'm not sure that he understands what he's agreeing with. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:12:14 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 7 09:57:15 2017. 3 immediate thoughs.1)Bill is only 100 pages vs 2400 for Obama care. 2) You get to read it before you vote for it. 3) if Medicaid reimbursement is capped it forces States to be less bureaucratic and also prioritize coverage for citizens. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 11:17:06 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:12:14 2017. 1. The bill consists almost entirely of amendments and adds precious little new text.2. Just like with ObamaCare. 3. No, it benefits red states who hardly offer Medicaid at all vs. the blue states that actually raise the government's revenue. Thank you Electoral College. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 7 11:42:41 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:04:20 2017. I was asking Salaam because he often agrees and I'm not sure that he understands what he's agreeing with.I think that accusation could be made about many contributors to this forum. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 11:56:07 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:12:14 2017. That,s because it either ignores or smply continues (such as the pages and pages of documentation related to service requirements, which are all to be continued) much of the existing ACA.What this does is make insurance unaffordable for millions. It eliminates much of the funding stream for Medicre, which was effectively folded i to the ACA as well. All that will remain there is the existing FICA tax which means we'll be back to bankruptcy and cuts cuts cuts once again. Republicans claim they love Aamerica but they seem perfectly fine with killing Americans. Which is the end result of all this. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:57:03 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 11:17:06 2017. 2) Really? So when nancy peLousi said that you have to vote for your t to find out what was in it, she was not serious? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:58:38 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 11:56:07 2017. Why do you have such a sad look in your LinkedIn photo? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:59:53 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 7 11:42:41 2017. Could be. Some just pretend, though. Others struggle to keep up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:03:40 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:57:03 2017. You clearly have no idea what she was talking about. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:03:44 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:58:38 2017. Why are ypu stalking me? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 7 12:10:38 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:03:44 2017. Lol |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 12:21:57 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:03:44 2017. That's not stalking and it's not an answer. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 12:25:13 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:03:40 2017. Why then don't you splain it to me, Lucy? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:28:52 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 12:25:13 2017. I already did, many times over the years. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 12:33:08 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:28:52 2017. So then repeating it should be easy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:36:09 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 12:33:08 2017. Here is the entire quote, in context:“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.” |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:56:39 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 7 12:10:38 2017. This isn't funny, its criminal. I will pursue it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:59:05 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 12:21:57 2017. Yes it is. Bringng iup a profile from another website that has NOTHING TO DO with subways or the stuff discussed in OT, and in a meancing manner IS. This isn't the first time you pulled this criminal horsehit. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 13:00:16 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:59:05 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 13:01:47 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:04:20 2017. unfortunately ?wtf ? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 13:02:18 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:59:53 2017. zzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 13:06:53 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:36:09 2017. ...as it turned out, it contained a whole lot of good. Witness the fact that 57% of America wants it left alone. Sure, there's room for improvement. However, what the republicans came out with does nothing of the sort. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:07:00 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 12:36:09 2017. Yes, that certainly was the quote. It said exactly what I said. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:07:37 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 7 12:56:39 2017. LOL |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Mar 7 13:18:39 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 11:12:14 2017. Despite the "bureaucracy," Medicare and Medicaid spend a greater percentage of their premiums received on Medical care thanks to not having to pay high ranking officials the same salary and benefits packages of the private sector. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 13:37:24 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:07:00 2017. You claimed that she meant that the text of the bill was not available for public reading. It was available all along on the Library of Congress website. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:48:44 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 13:37:24 2017. If you say so. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 7 13:56:02 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 13:37:24 2017. It was available all along on the Library of Congress website.But that's not what right wing radio has claimed for the past 6 years! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:58:05 2017, in response to RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 6 18:43:59 2017. As a conservative, I am unhappy with this new proposed. When Obama care was introduced, it shifted the paradigm. Suddenly, healthcare became a right to be provided by government. This certainly was never the intent of the founding fathers. Sadly, it now has become part of the American fabric. The slippery part of the slope is "what next"? Do we have universal home owner insurance? Universal life insurance? Universal car insurance? Where will it end? Perhaps universal food & beverages? Hmmm. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:59:22 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 7 13:56:02 2017. What right wing radio claimed that? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 14:07:01 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:58:05 2017. the people in office and all of them get free medical carewhy cant we get the same |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 14:14:04 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 14:07:01 2017. LOL. Do you need free rent too? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 14:17:56 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 13:58:05 2017. Who cares about the intent of the founding fathers. They're long dead.There is no slippery slope here. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 7 14:18:24 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Mar 7 14:07:01 2017. Nothing is free. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 7 14:18:57 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 14:17:56 2017. No kidding. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 7 14:28:48 2017, in response to Re: RyanCare unveiled, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 7 14:17:56 2017. So then when you claim what Trump is doing is unconstitutional, the correct answer will be, " who cares, the founding fathers are dead!"? |
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