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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 10:05:49 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 09:53:36 2017.

Faust: I think hell’s a fable.

Mephistopheles: Ay, think so still, till experience change thy mind.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 10:16:42 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 10:03:01 2017.

Sounds like a dig at the fact that she was homeschooled.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 10:56:50 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 09:56:13 2017.

Or she romanticized the "struggle" of living as a minority.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 11:03:02 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 01:23:13 2017.

never understood white people adopting black kids. actually, unless there's really a special case, i despise seeing it. i feel bad for black people. seems like the worst offense you could do to them.

whitey, you can't understand that? think of the reverse: black folks adopting white babies. c'mon...deep down in your sordid little soul...how that make you feel?

you know damn well black people don't do that. so wtf is your head at??

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 11:06:54 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 11:03:02 2017.

What racist bullshit.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:09:28 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 10:56:50 2017.

No, it was not radicalization, but the feeling of "otherness." She carried it further than most. An extreme example of youth fantasy is in the movie "Beautiful Creatures," a true story that ended up in murder.

"Blond and freckled, “like Pippi Longstocking”, she recalls choosing brown crayons to draw pictures of herself with dark skin and curly hair, like the Bantu women she saw in National Geographic. She would hide in the garden, smear herself in mud, and fantasize that she had been kidnapped from Africa. What she describes as a profound sense of not belonging followed her to school, where the other children wore trainers and had Doritos in their packed lunches, not elk tongue sandwiches."

At least she didn't decide to shoot up a classroom.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:11:48 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 11:06:54 2017.

I agree. What's wrong with interracial adoptions?



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:16:51 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 11:03:02 2017.

If more black people adopted black children in response to the need, your "problem" might not exist.

Where would Barack Obama be if his white family didn't give him love and support after his black father abandoned him and his white mother did? Would he have been better off a ward of the system?

If the adoption comes from love, I see nothing wrong. Are you saying that being in an institution is better than a family.

Some white people in the Prairie States back when would adopt white kids from urban areas. Sometimes their motive was to get cheap farm labor.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:20:25 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:11:48 2017.

ntrainride just told you, from his perspective.

But to answer your question: Adoption always involves issues; ask almost anyone who has been adopted. Racial/religious/cultural differences are an added issue.

But we need adoption, including interracial adoption.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:22:32 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:16:51 2017.

???

Obama's mother didn't "abandon" him. She made an agreement with her parents that they would take care of him for a certain period of time (IIRC, so that she could go back to school). There is no indication that if they had been unable or unwilling to do so that she wouldn't have taken care of him herself.

As for Obama's father, it's not totally clear who broke up the marriage. It's also not clear that he would have had continued permission to stay in the US after they got divorced.




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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 11:24:31 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:09:28 2017.

Where is that quote from?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:27:36 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:20:25 2017.

ntrainride just told you, from his perspective.

Well, I wouldn't exactly say that his answer enlightened me in any way.




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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:40:50 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 11:24:31 2017.

The article cited in the OP.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:42:03 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:27:36 2017.

It is enlightening, if others have that point of you. What he has said I've heard before.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:48:12 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:22:32 2017.

That was a typo. Mother "DIED" not "did."

As to his father, he lived a long time in the Nigerian bureaucracy and took other WIVES. I don't think we need to sugar-coat him. Obama didn't in "Dreams from my Father"

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:51:53 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:22:32 2017.

I can see the impression you got from the typo, but you seem to have been anxious to call me out than to comment on the point in respect of the thread.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 12:37:57 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 11:06:54 2017.

ahhh. define specifically what induced you to say that. and i'll simplify your task. to wit:

1. i don't understand why white people adopt black kids.

2. i despise white people who adopt black kids, barring special circumstances.

3. i expressed empathy for black folks having to see it and that i think it's insulting to blacks.

4. (in an admittedly derogatory way) i addressed white folks who may not comprehend my thoughts on white people adopting black kids. i then offered a solution to understanding: i asked those white people how they feel about black people adopting white babies.

5. i noted that black people don't (seem to want to*) adopt white kids.

6. i (colloquially) asked why (those white people) don't understand my thoughts.

* added/assumed in original massege.

so go ahead. specifically, which of those statements did you think are "racist"?



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 12:40:25 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:20:25 2017.

it isn't as simple as that if black people aren't adopting white kids. this point can't be ignored.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 12:43:01 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:48:12 2017.

His mother died in 1995 when he was 34.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 12:46:10 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 12:37:57 2017.

Every single one except 5, if the fact expressed is true.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 28 12:58:16 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 09:42:59 2017.

"I'm just saying that in cases where there is any doubt of "purity" and there is a possibility of being one identity or another, it can be a state of mind."

Perhaps. But in her case there is no doubt of "purity" - her parents are both Caucasian and she is too. She is trying to convince us that if she believes that she is black, then she is black.

"Socially Obama was "black" even with one white parent."

And Derek Jeter was white, even with one black parent.

"And if I child has a gentile father and a Jewish mother she is a Jew. Reverse the situation and she is not a Jew."

Not according to the Reform movement.

"Though we can now prove "Jewish genetics" by DNA rather than ancient writings."

That scares me a lot.





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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 13:12:10 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 11:51:53 2017.

Call you out? I was puzzled as to why you give Obama as an example of someone who was abandoned by his parents and therefore benefited greatly from "adoption" (even if it was just by his grandparents).

I don't think that Obama was at risk of lacking parental attention. Even after the typo is fixed I don't see Obama as a case illustrating the benefits of adoption.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 13:14:16 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 12:46:10 2017.

And most especially 2.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 13:24:27 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 12:40:25 2017.

I'm not ignoring that point. We can start with the issue that there are many more black kids available for adoption than white kids.

Yes, I know there are many other issues. If white kids for adoption and black kids for adoption were equally available, we would have a lot of questions that could come up.

Would black families want to adopt white kids?
Would black families adopting white kids anger some white people?
Would black families adopting white kids anger some black people?
How would white children growing up in a black society be treated, by either blacks or whites?
If black and white children are "equally available" will black adoptable children be more bypassed than they are now?

Of course, we have places now where this social issue is real today, though not in terms of adoption. In the neck of the woods where I work (Centereach, Farmingville, Selden, Medford) walk into many stores, especially a Wal-Mart (large sample size) and you will see not a few women shopping with mixed race children, and sometimes mixed-race and apparently white children. They live in neighborhoods where this is not uncommon and I don't know whether there are social problems because of this or not, at least not the kind that reach the papers.


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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 13:26:13 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 12:43:01 2017.

Was he with his mother at the time? Why then was he brought up by his grandparents by his description? Or are you saying he wasn't?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 13:28:23 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 11:03:02 2017.

never understood white people adopting black kids.

White guilt plays a role in it.

These white couples love to show off their black kids. They're making a political statement.

These couples tend to be very Leftist too.

And like I said, the women are into black men.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 13:30:27 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 11:22:32 2017.

As for Obama's father, it's not totally clear who broke up the marriage. It's also not clear that he would have had continued permission to stay in the US after they got divorced.

I know reading comprehension is not a problem for you, so I'm guessing you simply didn't read Obama's books.


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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 13:35:25 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 13:30:27 2017.

Yeah, I really meant to say it's not totally clear to me at this moment. I may have known and forgotten and it may very well be completely known to those who pay attention to his youth.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 14:03:06 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 13:35:25 2017.

On my end it's bright sunshine and in the low 80's so I have to get some vitamin D and meal prep for Ash Wednesday.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 14:56:56 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 13:28:23 2017.

I think it's more that there is a shortage of white babies for adoption and these couples are starved for a child and sincerely hope that nurture trumps nature.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 15:24:45 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 28 12:58:16 2017.

Why?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 15:32:43 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 14:56:56 2017.

Don't be such a cuck.

It has nothing to do with available white babies.

I know people who have adopted from Russia.

My experience with such white couples who adopt black babies is that it has nothing to do with available babies and everything to do with their view of the world.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 16:45:47 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 12:46:10 2017.

for example...you think that me asking "how would white people feel about black people adopting white babies?" is racist? just asking is racist?

boy, it's obvious that you don't know alot of black people.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Feb 28 16:52:22 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 14:56:56 2017.

IAWTP besides the nurture vs nature part.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 18:08:51 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 16:45:47 2017.

Only liberals would find the question to be racist. Since it's a very rate event, I wouldn't begin to guess what the real reaction would be.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 18:10:26 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Feb 28 16:52:22 2017.

Why do you disagree with the nurture vs nature proposition?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 18:21:56 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 18:08:51 2017.

4 may not be racist completely on its own, but it is racist when it closely follows 2.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 18:27:46 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 18:21:56 2017.

Clearly 2 goes to motive and not to the act itself. I can understand the sentiment if the motivation is seen as trendy or for reasons other than loving and nurturing a needy child.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 19:22:08 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by ntrainride on Tue Feb 28 12:37:57 2017.

Trophy babies.

And to humiliate hubby publicly.




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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 20:38:32 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Feb 27 08:31:42 2017.

She would be denied on the basis of lying on the entrance application.

*ducks*

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 20:46:02 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 20:38:32 2017.

Actually I did say that she should hop the fence.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 22:04:32 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 09:49:23 2017.

It's strategic - to distract and throw off the enemy's men on the battlefield.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 22:06:15 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 20:46:02 2017.

lol good point

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 28 22:13:05 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Feb 27 08:31:42 2017.

Dick riding is so you.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 22:14:01 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 28 22:13:05 2017.

Fuck you, dirtbag

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 22:16:56 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 22:14:01 2017.

My apologies. I did not mean to denegrate dirt bags by linking you to this low life piece of shit.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 28 22:24:12 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 22:14:01 2017.

🤔🤔...
No thanks.

Even if you were attractive, youd still be too much of a bitchass to keep me interested.

Im sure you find some like minded asshole with an affinity for drones here,or at your neighborhood slop pit.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 28 22:26:42 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 22:16:56 2017.

Judging from what you clearly stated,you love the dick.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 28 22:28:08 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 28 22:26:42 2017.

LOL

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Feb 28 22:29:22 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 28 22:26:42 2017.

Which would clearly leave you out.

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