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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jan 19 20:53:23 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 19 20:35:42 2017. That is correct. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 19 20:58:00 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 19 20:35:42 2017. All the more reason voter ID does nothing. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 19 20:59:16 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Jan 19 15:46:41 2017. It's all about packaging. The problem is, people try and explain it as "but it's the right thing to do!!" which not a reason to do anything. Here's a simplification. A reasonably intelligent person is doing fine in life. You want to convince him to give $10 extra dollars a month to help cover the medical expenses of the less fortunate. He asks why. Which answer is more likely to get support:1. Helping the less fortunate is the right thing to do! These people are suffering! 2. You're one round of layoffs away from ending up in the exact same boat as they are! This will give you one less thing to worry about should something like that happen to you! Answer 1 has him picturing the homeless guy who vomited onto the sidewalk right in front of him, dirtying his shoes. "Fuck that guy, I'm keeping my $10." Answer 2 has him thinking "shit you're right, this isn't such a bad idea after all! People down on their luck need a safety net now and then!" Or more succinctly - at their core everyone is looking out for their own self-interest. Align their self interest with your cause and you gain an ally. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 19 21:04:24 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 19 20:58:00 2017. It still matches the name/face though, preventing someone else from stealing my vote. It's not like these polling locations have security cameras, half the time they're churches and schools - so whoever stole the vote is going to get away with it even if I show up and find a signature already there. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Jan 19 21:30:03 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 19 20:59:16 2017. The problem in this country is too many ppl think #2 can't happen to them. It happened to me yrs ago (downsized) happened to one of my good friends who had a $100,000 job at JP Morgan one minute and laid off the next. No one is immune. Anyone can go from having great health insurance through work to being out of work and needing Obamacare and needing to use those free handouts you (as in the hypothetical person in my example)were just complaining about 'other' people using with your tax $$$. It makes them look like hypocrits. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 19 23:20:45 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 19 15:11:01 2017. Some (maybe even many) people may not have told USPS that they moved, because they still had a way to get mail arriving at their old address.A lot depends on who occupies the old address. Most cases the new occupants will not accept such mail and return such mail to the post office. Without a forwarding request from the former occupant, first class mail that isn't accepted by the current occupant will be returned to the sender. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 19 23:20:45 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 19 15:11:01 2017. Some (maybe even many) people may not have told USPS that they moved, because they still had a way to get mail arriving at their old address.A lot depends on who occupies the old address. Most cases the new occupants will not accept such mail and return such mail to the post office. Without a forwarding request from the former occupant, first class mail that isn't accepted by the current occupant will be returned to the sender. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 19 23:27:48 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 19 23:20:45 2017. A lot depends on who occupies the old address. Most cases the new occupants will not accept such mail and return such mail to the post office.LOL! I’m not going to go to the Post Office because the former occupant didn’t bother to have their mail forwarded. You’re living in a fantasy world. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 02:20:19 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 19 21:04:24 2017. preventing someone else from stealing my voteYep. And that's an infinitesimal source of voter fraud. If I try to steal your vote, I have a good chance of getting caught. And even if I don't get caught, if it goes on with any volume it'll be detected as a pattern. There's no way that any candidate can organize that kind of scheme on a large scale. The only big source of voter fraud is people voting from addresses where they no longer live. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 02:22:22 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 19 23:27:48 2017. You don't literally need to go to the post office. If someone no longer lives there, you can just write moved, please forward, and toss it back in a mail box. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:12:22 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 19 23:27:48 2017. I don't think he meant literally "return it physically themselves to the post office", you just leave it in your mailbox, with a note on the envelope, "moved", or "no longer living here", and the mailman will take it with him when he comes anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:13:02 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 02:22:22 2017. LOL, exactly, I just wrote the same thing. And to be clear, you can "toss it back" right in your own mailbox. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:19:16 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:13:02 2017. And to be clear, you can "toss it back" right in your own mailbox.That depends on the type of mailbox you have. It doesn't work with standard NYC apartment house mailboxes. It wouldn't have worked in my parents' suburban mailbox either (a slot in the door). Of course it works in suburban/rural mailboxes at the street. I told you LIers don't know anything about Manhattan. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:23:38 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:19:16 2017. That depends on the type of mailbox you have. It doesn't work with standard NYC apartment house mailboxes.Sure it does. I have a building in the city, and they have standard NYC type apartment boxes. Occasionally, when I have an empty apartment, and mail is left for the former tenant, I do just that, write "moved" or something to that effect on the mail, and put it right back in. the next time the mailman is there he/she takes it. When I lived there, I even sent mail that way. the mailman always took it. As for slots in the door, yes, that is another story, but that is not an urban vs rural vs suburban thing, as you can have that anywhere. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:28:08 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:23:38 2017. and put it right back in. the next time the mailman is there he/she takes it.Remarkable. So if you're gone for a day and yesterday's mail is still in the mailbox, the mail person pulls it out from the top to check to see if it might actually be outgoing mail? I know that never happens in my building - neither the regular mail delivery person nor the substitutes check mail that's already in the box. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:28:30 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:19:16 2017. Of course it works in suburban/rural mailboxes at the street.You don't have to have a rural mailbox at the curb/street to do that. My parents had one next to their door, the wall mailboxes, and always sent mail out that way, just left it in there, and the mailman would take it when he came. And a slot in the door thing can happen anywhere. That is another story, but I had a mailslot in the door even in the middle of Queens when I lived there, that's not just a suburban phenomena. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:31:14 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:28:08 2017. Never had a problem with it. It was always taken by the mail carrier next time they were there. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:31:42 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:28:30 2017. I had a mailslot in the door even in the middle of Queens when I lived there, that's not just a suburban phenomena.Agreed. It's a private house phenomenon. Even private houses in Manhattan can have a slot in the door. My church has a slot in the door. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:32:52 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:31:14 2017. An obvious sign of government waste. :)The mail carrier should be too busy to have time to look for outgoing mail. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:33:43 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:31:42 2017. Agreed. It's a private house phenomenon.No it's not. I never lived in a private house in Queens or the city for that matter. It was a 6 family house, and the mail was delivered through a door mail slot. Yes, all the mail was mixed for the 6 apartments. Granted, yes, that was in 1990's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:35:27 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:32:52 2017. Well it always worked. How much time does it take? try it one day for a less important piece of mail you are sending. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 10:38:17 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:12:22 2017. With him, he may have meant it literally. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:38:34 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 10:28:08 2017. So if you're gone for a day and yesterday's mail is still in the mailbox, the mail person pulls it out from the top to check to see if it might actually be outgoing mail?It's usually pretty obvious if it's yesterday's mail, or one random piece of "former resident" mail, or a random outgoing piece. I am not saying to put your Christmas Card stack in there to take. But then again, I probably wouldn't even do that in a streetside mailbox. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:40:59 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 10:38:17 2017. Yes, my mistake... :) |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 11:08:23 2017, in response to Re: President Obama's Legacy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 10:35:27 2017. We have tried that and numerous other ways of getting the mail carrier's attention. |
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Posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 11:55:39 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 17 12:27:16 2017. Come on.You know it would've been just as bad if not worse on the right's part had Hillary won. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 12:14:20 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 11:55:39 2017. Worse.Reputable Democrats are not saying the election was rigged; only fringe Democrats are saying it. But the winners* are saying the popular vote was rigged, and they have absolutely no evidence for it. * Of course, you could demolish my argument by claiming that Trump is not a reputable Republican. |
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Posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 12:17:25 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 12:14:20 2017. Trump is a con artist.He's a CELEBRITY businessman. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:17:30 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 11:55:39 2017. No. THis is way worse than anything 8 or 4 years ago. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:18:33 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 12:14:20 2017. No one is claiming the Democrats are saying anything was rigged. It's their COMPLETE unable to cope or deal with the fact that their side lost this time. I have never seen anything like it.Seemingly normal people completely off the deep end with this. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 12:19:31 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:17:30 2017. Who said anything about 4 or 8 years ago? LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 12:19:54 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:18:33 2017. You don't know what you're talking about. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:20:42 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 12:19:31 2017. The claim was that it would have been worse if this was hillary. Obama was disliked by many on the right, but it wasn't as mainstream paranoia and craziness as this. The left can't handle lost. They proved it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:21:17 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 12:19:54 2017. I see it. I have never seen anything like it. Even with the Gore Bush thing it wasn't this bad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 12:24:18 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:20:42 2017. Did you actually pay attention during this election? And Trump was stoking the fires. |
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Posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 12:58:40 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 20 12:24:18 2017. Trump is a mega troll. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 20 13:08:41 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 12:58:40 2017. cortelyounext is a megatroll.Have you been to Chandler, Arizona? I hear about Ice Cream Sammies. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 20 13:27:57 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by TonyG on Fri Jan 20 12:17:25 2017. yes.But why did he win? The behavior of the Left over the last year was enough to motivate people to vote against Hillary. #blm Beyonce half time show Kaepernick North Carolina Rolling Stone #fakerape Brentwood All these things piled up. Cops getting shot at #blm rallies really contributed. It's everything that is turning off people. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 13:32:39 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:18:33 2017. Seemingly normal people completely off the deep end with this.Oh, so you're not talking about the "illegitimate" claims. Do you mean the idea that our country is being led by a severe narcissist? Conservative Republicans are off the deep end with that too. David Brooks. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:06:46 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 13:32:39 2017. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1540J7 |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:12:23 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 20 13:27:57 2017. The idiots rioting as we speak are why. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jan 20 14:14:40 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:18:33 2017. Honestly ppl are reacting this way because they feel like a horrible human being won. The man ran on hate keeping groups of ppl out of the country, stroking negative stereotypes, openly mocking disable ppl, mocking a woman with period jokes, saying grabbing them by the crotch, making light of using nucluar weapons etc etc. They feel we literally elected a Hitler level bad person for pres. Guaranteed if any other republican won the reaction would not have been this strong. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 14:22:44 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:06:46 2017. These people are on the fringe of society. They have very little power. Donald Trump (who said the vote in CA was rigged) is not on the fringe of society and has a tremendous amount of power. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 14:24:16 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 20 12:18:33 2017. Seemingly normal people completely off the deep end with this.But then when you get more specific you link to videos of people who are not normal - they express their anger with violence. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:35:08 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jan 20 14:14:40 2017. Oh please, yes that's the kool aid |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:35:47 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 20 14:24:16 2017. That'snot who iI was taking about. I am not listing personal names . |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 20 14:39:11 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:35:08 2017. No. It is reality.How would you be coping if you were Jewish after the election of Adolf Hitler? Can you honestly expect someone who is Hispanic or Muslim to feel any differently? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jan 20 14:40:35 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 19 14:54:39 2017. Agreed, but it may make the imposters think twice |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jan 20 14:42:42 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 19 15:05:30 2017. Um, I was THERE! No urban legend. The Satmar split is real and well documented. Again, this was over 23 years ago and NO city/state agencu was going to get into the middle of that. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jan 20 14:47:18 2017, in response to Re: Best Thing to Come Out of the Election, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 20 14:39:11 2017. Oh please. He got 30% give or take of the Hispanic vote |
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