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The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 25 10:03:43 2016 Going to Brooklyn from Astoria, I can either use the BQE or take Woodhaven Boulevard. The last three times I have run into trouble on the BQE which should take me 36 minutes without traffic but can take two hours with traffic. So I usually use Woodhaven instead which usually takes me about 50 or 55 minutes.Last Saturday night after midnight, I decided to give the BQE a try since it was so late. Just after where I could have gotten off to use Woodhaven, I see a digital sign that the BQE is closed between Tillary and Atlantic after 1AM. Since it was 12:10 AM, I figured I had enough time not to worry. Then traffic slows down to 10 mph and there is another sign, this one stating the closure is at 12 AM not 1 AM which explained the slow traffic. The highway was already closed. There was about a 20 minute wait to get off at Metropolitan which is not all that unusual. I figured I would get off at Wythe instead of Tillary and use local streets. I waited almost a half hour to get off and all three lanes were packed solid all the way to Tillary, so that wait to get off at Tillary had to be even longer like maybe an hour. So the questions are why wasn't there adequate notice, why did the first sign give the wrong time for closure, and why do maintenance work on a Saturday night when people come home late and overtime is higher, rather than during the week after midnight when there is less traffic? The city makes a big deal about Manhattan traffic congestion and the need for congestion pricing when government themselves are responsible for much of the congestion. There is no reason for thousands of cars to be stuck in a massive traffic jam for hours after midnight due to poor planning. I think State DOT is the culprit but government has managed to muddy the waters so with the intermingling of responsibilities that is impossible much of the time to determine who is at fault. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Mon Jul 25 11:41:16 2016, in response to The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 25 10:03:43 2016. "So the questions are why wasn't there adequate notice, why did the first sign give the wrong time for closure, and why do maintenance work on a Saturday night when people come home late and overtime is higher, rather than during the week after midnight when there is less traffic?""There is no reason for thousands of cars to be stuck in a massive traffic jam for hours after midnight due to poor planning." Why didn't you check traffic reports, given every 10 minutes one the 1's on 1010WINS? You live in Brooklyn, why not check News12 traffic reports? On most smart phones and tablets, you can check traffic conditions with an app. More adequate notice, yes it is right here http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/wkndtraf.shtml, unless you wanted personal notification. First sign had the wrong time, and what would be your point, errors happen, not everybody is perfect, including you. It'snot poor planning, its night work, which should be disruptive to the least amount of people. It is not fair that you make it out like it was done to inconvenience you, when it reality you did nothing to help yourself. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 25 12:35:32 2016, in response to The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 25 10:03:43 2016. Why not just use WAZE? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 13:35:57 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 25 12:35:32 2016. Excellent post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 13:38:21 2016, in response to The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 25 10:03:43 2016. FALSE!There is a third route which, assuming traffic, is better than either. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Mon Jul 25 18:04:56 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 13:38:21 2016. Could always go with travel option number 2, public transportation. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 25 19:27:56 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 13:35:57 2016. Thank you! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:47:55 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Mon Jul 25 11:41:16 2016. I would have had to have listened to the traffic reports before midnight before the road was closed so the delays would have been normal and not reported. Once past Queens Blvd, there was nothing to do to avoid it so knowing about the closure then would have been useless.The place for the signs should have been on the most northern part of the BQE when it would have been possible to plan alternatives, not when it is too late. That is the purpose of electronic signage. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:49:54 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Mon Jul 25 18:04:56 2016. Public transportation - 2 hoursNormal trip for midnight -36 minutes. My trip - 1 hour 20 minutes. Your comment - priceless |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:54:30 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 25 12:35:32 2016. Why didn't the thousands of others stuck on the BQE use Waze?Maybe they tried and it told you not to use the BQE but they were already on and couldn't get off? There were three solid lanes of traffic all the way from Wythe to Tillary waiting to get off. Had to be an hour delay for them which is why I waited the 30 minutes at Wythe. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 26 10:19:44 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:47:55 2016. In the age of information, you want to talk about signs in northern end of the BQE, never mind you had more opportunities to know about this. Why anybody who lives and drives in the city limits would get on the BQE without checking traffic is beyond belief. That road is notorious for traffic jams. Might as well supply this so you know about this coming weekend.From the NYCDOT website- Brooklyn-Queens Expressway between Atlantic Avenue and Tillary Street One of three lanes westbound (Staten Island-bound) will be closed from 12:01 am to 5 am, and two of three lanes westbound (Staten Island-bound) will be closed from 1 am to 5 am Friday, July 29, 2016 to Saturday, July 30, 2016 to facilitate NYCDOT Bridges roadway repairs. The Brooklyn-Queens Expressway westbound (Staten Island-bound) will be fully closed Sunday, July 31, 2016 from 1 am to 6 am to facilitate NYCDOT roadway milling and paving operations.. Motorists should follow the posted detour. Now that I did the research for you, at least you will be prepared and informed for this weekend. I thought you said you were a planner, then again maybe we have a difference of opinion on planning. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 26 10:25:37 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:49:54 2016. And sitting in approximately 40 minutes of traffic all because checking traffic reports apparently was too much work- STUPID.Especially on the BQE, which slow moving almost regularly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 10:45:49 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:54:30 2016. Why should you follow the sheep? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 26 12:03:45 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 10:45:49 2016. Exactly. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 26 12:09:54 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:54:30 2016. Because either they were like you and have excuses why they don't want to use WAZE (and thus refuse to listen to people who are more knowledgeable than them), or maybe some of them WERE using WAZE and for their chosen origin/destination, using the BQE was still the best option.No, there's no point really in waiting to start up WAZE when you're already stuck in a giant traffic jam. There's only limited benefit to be gained from that. You're supposed to use it right from the beginning of your trip. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:46:41 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 26 12:09:54 2016. And as I stated, my trip began before midnight when the BQE was scheduled to close so even if I checked it before, I would have not been alerted since the delays had not started yet. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:48:48 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 13:38:21 2016. I am sure there are even more than three routes but what does that matter? The choice had to be made at the beginning or near beginning of the trip. But under normal circumstances at that time the BQE is the best choice. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:52:16 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 26 10:25:37 2016. As I stated, traffic reports would have had to be checked before the start of the trip which was before the BQE was closed, so there wou,d gave been no unusual delays.But even with the delays, it was still better than the public transportation option which wouldn't have been an option either since I already had my car with me from an earlier trip that day. And until recently there hasn't been problems on the BQE after 10 PM. I agree that most other times it is a mess. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 26 13:05:18 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:46:41 2016. And as I stated, my trip began before midnight when the BQE was scheduled to close so even if I checked it before, I would have not been alerted since the delays had not started yet.That's incorrect. WAZE is almost certainly aware of all scheduled roadway closures and would not route you onto the BQE if the time you would be on the BQE would coincide with an upcoming planned closure. And even if it didn't, as soon as the closure began and backups started, it would have rerouted you in real-time if there was a faster available route based on your current location. You really have nothing to lose by using WAZE. What possible reason could you have for blindly driving around a highly congested urban metropolis without WAZE???? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 26 13:06:12 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:48:48 2016. But under normal circumstances at that time the BQE is the best choice.He just told you that that's not the case! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 13:35:36 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:48:48 2016. But the circumstances are clearly abnormal. You apparently knew about the closure but assumed you would beat it because you were given bad information.Also, you could divert en route. Where did the traffic on the BQE start? IOW, where is the last place you could have gotten off to avoid traffic? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 13:38:01 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:52:16 2016. Waze is the modern replacement for the traffic report. The traffic report is obsolete now.I don't know if Waze would have routed you around the anticipated closure. It probably would have. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 19:33:21 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 13:35:36 2016. No circumstances were perfectly normal when I got on at the second entrance. After or just before Queens Blvd the sign said BQE closes at 1 AM between Tillary and Atlantic Avenue. I checked my clock and it was 12:10. Travel time to Tillary is about 8 minutes without traffic and there was none. Therefore I had 50 minutes to cover what should take eight minutes. So there was no reason to get off. The next exit was before the Koskiuzko. Still no reason to get off. Traffic is moving well. Next exit is Morgan. Still no reason to get off and should be only five more minutes to Tillary. Then comes the sign that the BQE is closed at midnight not 1 AM.Then the usual 20 minute wait to get off at Metropolitan. And just before the Williamsburg Bridge traffic comes to a near stop. So was I supposed to get off and go over the Bridge into Manhattan to take one of the other bridges back? Next exit is Wythe where I waited 30 minutes to get off. All three lanes were packed solid fir the final exit at Tillary. Maybe a wait of an hour or more. Who knows if a one lane exit was 20 minutes, how long for a mile of standing still cars to merge into one lane and get off? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 26 20:45:05 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:48:48 2016. bumpRe: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight (1382991) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 26 20:45:39 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 12:46:41 2016. bumpThat's incorrect. WAZE is almost certainly aware of all scheduled roadway closures and would not route you onto the BQE if the time you would be on the BQE would coincide with an upcoming planned closure. And even if it didn't, as soon as the closure began and backups started, it would have rerouted you in real-time if there was a faster available route based on your current location. You really have nothing to lose by using WAZE. What possible reason could you have for blindly driving around a highly congested urban metropolis without WAZE???? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 21:28:14 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 19:33:21 2016. I'm pretty sure the blockage had already begun by the time you hit the Morgan or Metro exits, so Waze would have redirected you. I use Waze every time. No exceptions. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 26 23:39:00 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 21:28:14 2016. Same here. It's a no-brainer. I suspect BrooklynBus doesn't even comprehend the power of WAZE. Heck, he doesn't even comprehend that some people might be more knowledgeable than him on some topics and may be able to give him useful advice. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 10:16:53 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 13:38:01 2016. It almost certainly would have. It can even reroute you as traffic builds as it is always searching for the best route.I still use traffic reports on the radio in conjunction with Waze. Waze's algorithms are still not perfect, and I like to compare Waze's ideas with that of a traffic report to make sure what Waze suggests and what I thought was best on my own are reasonable, or to figure out why they differ. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 10:18:50 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 26 23:39:00 2016. My first thought when I saw the OP was that if he used Waze or turned on the radio, he would have avoided this whole mess. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 10:21:04 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 26 09:47:55 2016. The whole point of listening to traffic reports on the radio is to find out if things are abnormal. Most likely, WCBS and/or 1010 WINS would have known of major backups on the BQE and you would have avoided the area. Or you could have used Waze. You had lots of options, you didn't use any of them. Electronic signs usually cause congestion as people slow down to read them, if that had happened to you then you would have complained about that instead. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 10:21:34 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 26 10:19:44 2016. I thought you said you were a planner, then again maybe we have a difference of opinion on planning.Best line in this entire thread |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 10:21:46 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 13:35:57 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 10:52:59 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 10:16:53 2016. The problem with the radio traffic report is that it never gives you the roads that you need except when you need to cross the Hudson River. Even then, if I turn on the radio too far before the traffic report, my attention wanders away from the radio, and I don't pay attention to the traffic report. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Wed Jul 27 11:12:37 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 10:52:59 2016. True. However, trusting just the roadway sign can be bad too. They sometimes don't get updated as they should. Case in point, NYCDOT knew the road would be closed, why not post the warning earlier in the day. Getting on the BQE at say 2p.m. with no delays and seeing "TRAFFIC MOVING WELL" is nice but "ROAD CLOSED TONIGHT AT MIDNIGHT" at least lets you plan ahead. On the radio traffic reports, most times when a road closure is pending, they will say so about an hour before the closure.Getting on and thinking you have time to beat the closure can be risky too. One lane could be closed already and there goes the thought I have 45 minutes to make it and it only takes 20. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:14:10 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Wed Jul 27 11:12:37 2016. There might have been warnings earlier in the day, but I hadn't used the BQE earlier that day. I rarely use the same route in both directions. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:16:01 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 26 13:05:18 2016. Once the backup began, it was too late to do anything so WAZE would have been useless it considered the closing hours in advance. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:16:58 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 26 13:06:12 2016. And what would be a better choice than 36 minutes, the usual time for after midnight? Please do tell. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:19:05 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 26 21:28:14 2016. In other words you are calling me a liar when I already said the backup first appeared as I approached the Williamsburg Bridge exit. The 50 car wait at Metropolitan at most times was normal so I had no reason to be alarmed and there is no easy route to my house getting off at Morgan. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:23:44 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 26 23:39:00 2016. I am not criticizing WAZE saying it isn't a good app. I am just not convinced that it would have been much help in this situation. The proof is that there were so many cars stuck. You would think that at least sone of them would have used WAZE. If the did, it wasn't of any help. So don't be so sure you are more knowledgable than everyone else.Funny how not a single person criticized DOT for scheduling this work on a very busy Saturday night instead of during the week when people come home earlier. Even Sunday night (Monday Morning) would have been a better choice. They chose the worst night of the week. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:30:35 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:16:01 2016. FALSE! Not only would it have considered the closing when necessary (it wasn't "hours" in advance), you yourself pointed out that there were numerous opportunities to exit, like at the LIE, Meeker/Morgan and Metro. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:35:28 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:19:05 2016. Now, I understand the problem in those BusChat threads I stop reading.The blockage did not BEGIN when you approached the Williamsburg Bridge exit. It BEGAN before that. When it "first appeared" to you is irrelevant as far as using Waze is concerned. So you accuse me of being a liar because you can't read. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 27 12:36:01 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:30:35 2016. Exactly! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 27 12:36:13 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:16:01 2016. Wrong, as Spider explained. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 27 12:36:31 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:16:58 2016. I don't know! He didn't tell us! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:45:43 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:23:44 2016. Some of them did use Waze, they weren't stuck so you didn't see them as part of the crowd of stuck cars. I mean you were one of them. Do you believe that so many people are more savvy than you? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 13:48:39 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:23:44 2016. People who use Waze probably weren't sitting in traffic with you. I've passed by many cars trying to get on to highways closed due to accidents (and going nowhere) while Waze sent me on a totally different route. Combined with listening to a traffic report before I left, I knew exactly where not to go. You would have too if you used my approach.What makes you think that Saturday night is somehow busier than weeknights? If work goes late on just about any other night of the week, it impacts rush hour traffic. Traffic might have been worse than it usually is to your eyes because of the congestion from the construction zone, but how would that have been significantly different another night? We're not criticizing DOT because it doesn't seem that their actions warrant criticism. OTOH, based on what you've said in this thread, yours do. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Wed Jul 27 19:11:45 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 13:48:39 2016. NYCDOT can not do a full road closure during the week. That's what I was told when i checked with somebody in the know. So there goes that argument. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 28 12:34:09 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:23:44 2016. I am just not convinced that it would have been much help in this situation.We're telling you otherwise. We're telling you it almost definitely would have been a help. The proof is that there were so many cars stuck. You would think that at least sone of them would have used WAZE.I already addressed this in an earlier reply. But as others noted, the people who used WAZE were not in the jam. If the did, it wasn't of any help.Wrong. WAZE has almost always helped me. So don't be so sure you are more knowledgable than everyone else.Where did I say that? I said "he doesn't even comprehend that some people might be more knowledgeable than him on some topics and may be able to give him useful advice." I spoke about other people being more knowledgeable than you on this topic. I never said anything about me being more knowledgeable than anyone else. Don't change what I say and then pathetically attempt to use it against me! LOL!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 20:50:35 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:35:28 2016. Great post. |
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Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:39:02 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:35:28 2016. What the hell are you talking about? THE BLOCKAGE BEGAN JUST AS I WAS APPROACHING THE WILLIAMSBURG BRIDGE EXIT.So yes I could have gotten off and go over the bridge into Manhattan and then try to come back to Brooklyn via the Brooklyn Bridge which was probably also backed up because the BQE was closed. So where would that have gotten me? Are you suggesting that is what I should have done? And what can't I read? It looks like you are the one who can't read. I clearly exp,aimed where I was when the traffic came to a halt. When it "appeared to me" is when it occurred. . |
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