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Posted by MTK52983 on Mon Jul 11 23:55:13 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 11 23:50:36 2016. It's called you want to force your own dogma on a non participant. This is a free country last I checked and if a woman asked my advice on whether or not she should have an abortion, I am within my rights to talk her out of it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 11 23:59:58 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by MTK52983 on Mon Jul 11 23:55:13 2016. How is that? I would want your hypothetical woman to make up her own mind. I would not coerce one way or the other. That's not imposing. What you're saying you'd do IS. This isn't about your rights, it's about hers. By attempting to coerce one action or another, you are imposing. |
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Posted by MTK52983 on Tue Jul 12 00:10:08 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 11 23:59:58 2016. Speaking of the hypothetical woman, she is free to make up her own mind. I am not actively barring her from having an abortion if she so chooses. Plenty of women who have abortions later regret it. There is nothing wrong with presenting all sides. Since you want to stifle my First Amendment rights then yes, it effects me too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 00:52:46 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 11 23:40:40 2016. Excuse me. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 00:58:56 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 11 23:59:58 2016. Excuse me! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 12 01:00:48 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 11 22:22:31 2016. bump |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 12 01:03:12 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 11 22:32:53 2016. I'm still talking to a wall...He's wrong, he behaves like a full throated trumper.Why do you make everything so political. I simply stated, as did others, that you are wrong that Trump can't possibly win. YOU ARE WRONG about that. That's not political. It's just fact. You need to see the difference between politics and reality. I'm not political on this forum. I deal with reality. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 12 01:06:52 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by MTK52983 on Tue Jul 12 00:10:08 2016. Plenty of women who have abortions later regret it.Myth propagated by the forced-pregnancy crowd. Most women who have had abortions believe it's the best decision they ever made and would do it again. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 01:11:36 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 12 01:06:52 2016. I think a large study would reveal otherwise.I know two women who aborted and they say its something they don't get over. Both are batshit crazy too. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 12 01:46:48 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 00:52:46 2016. Lol |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 12 01:49:37 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 00:58:56 2016. LOLLAAA |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:07:11 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 01:11:36 2016. You cite the cause of their mental illness without either realizing or acknowledging it. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 12 07:29:06 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 11 22:10:11 2016. 
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 12 07:30:16 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 12 01:03:12 2016. Bump |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 07:41:01 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 01:11:36 2016. The plural of anecdote is not data. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 09:43:36 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by MTK52983 on Tue Jul 12 00:10:08 2016. Anything beyond being there to support her choice...such as trying to "talk her out of it" in any way is harassment it has nothing to do with your rights, it's about HERS.So if she wants to have the kid, be ready to help her. For a very long time. Especially tenish years later, when they aren't so cute and get difficult.. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 09:45:59 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 12 01:03:12 2016. This is a political discussion. Don't you get it? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 09:46:46 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 09:43:36 2016. If I get a woman pregnant that I will support the child. That is how my parents raised me. Harassment is a legal term of art and providing advice without more does not meet the crime. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 09:54:24 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 01:11:36 2016. SMAZ is correct. It's just not somethng that's openly discussed, and need not be. Most women seeking an abortion already have a child, and need to focus on providing for them.With all the ullshit surrounding this from the forced birthers, who have wangled into the media undeservedly, are what causes women to suffer psychological damages like you're attempting to describe. Yet we see no effort to provide single parents with affordable summer care for their kids while they're working so they don't end up on public support for example. Just a relevant example. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 09:57:12 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 09:46:46 2016. If I got a woman pregnant, I would encourage her not to "choose life." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 09:58:22 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 09:54:24 2016. And of those getting an abortion who don't have children, many have children later when they are ready. And they are happy that they have children they can love and support properly. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 10:04:51 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 09:46:46 2016. Any unwelcome intrusion into one's personal business is harassment.Your willingness to support a child does not mandate that the woman risk her life (to any degree) to have it unwillingly. Plus there's a matter of support for her during and afterwards, having a child to care for and most likely suffering loss of income, and career idsruption for it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 10:26:09 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 09:58:22 2016. That's correct. For aome, they aren't physically ready for pregnancy. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:14:38 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 10:04:51 2016. A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:1. He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or 2. He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or 3. He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose. Subdivisions two and three of this section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, [FN1] as amended, the railway labor act, [FN2] as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, [FN3] as amended. Harassment in the second degree is a violation. Talking to someone nicely about your opinion on a subject doesn't meet the definition of Penal Law §240.26 |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:18:24 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:14:38 2016. Not to mention bingbong, by your definition of harassment (which differs from the lowest in New York's Penal Law) you advocate it all the time intruding on people to take every handgun |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:37:36 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:14:38 2016. It does if it's unwlecome. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:40:12 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:18:24 2016. No I do not. However, the need for extremely strict gun control is overwhelming. In addition, the public has a right to know who the gun owners are, so they can exercise their right t free FROM guns to ensure their personal safety. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 12 11:42:05 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:40:12 2016. However, the need for extremely strict gun control is overwhelming.Then you should move immediately to a country that has very strict gun controls. Quick, don't wait another minute! *g* |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:54:31 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 12 11:42:05 2016. Wrong. I have the right to be FREE FROM GUNS. Right here, right now. I want my rights protected as well, and unstable assholes running around does not resolve that.ACA now covers mental health issues, maybe everyone that wants a gun should be screened First. It would also be an excellent way to get those that need help appropriate treatment. Even if all that's called for is a fistful of Viagra. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:56:03 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:37:36 2016. WABB |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 12:10:50 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:54:31 2016. You have no right to be "FREE FROM GUNS." |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:19:33 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 09:45:59 2016. Yes, it's a political discussion of facts. The fact is that it is not impossible that he could win. You're making it political by bringing up irrelevant factors. You are speaking from emotion. You are reactionary. You don't understand how to separate those feelings from the facts. You also are TERRIBLE at figuring out how others are going to vote or who they support. You're also TERRIBLE at listening and at picking up on hints. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:20:05 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 12:10:50 2016. Correct. And we told her that, what, years ago? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:20:29 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 11:54:31 2016. I have the right to be FREE FROM GUNS.Wrong. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:24:09 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 12 11:56:03 2016. You're the one that's wrong. Legally defined criminal harassment is not the only form of harassment.Any unwelcome conversation, advances, be it to attempt to pick someone up, or disturb their walk to the door of their doctor's office IS STiLL harassment. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 13:25:07 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:24:09 2016. Excuse me |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:25:59 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 12:10:50 2016. Yes I do. It's equivalent to freedom from religion. I have the right to be in any public place with the expectation that I will not be threatened or shot by some idiot with a gun. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:34:19 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:20:29 2016. Okay. You move to texass. Don't go crying to anyone when your kids get shot by a stray bullet as they play in the yard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:35:25 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:19:33 2016. She's all of those things, but not "reactionary." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:36:26 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:25:59 2016. You have no right to be free from religion either.And yes, you do have a right not to be murdered or assaulted with a deadly weapon, but that's not a right to be "free from guns." |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:37:43 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:25:59 2016. Yes I do.No you don't. It's equivalent to freedom from religion.No it's not. I have the right to be in any public place with the expectation that I will not be threatened or shot by some idiot with a gun.No you don't. But what about being threatened or shot by a smart person with a gun? You don't have a right about that? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:37:53 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:36:26 2016. Oh yes we all do. Read the Federalist papers. The First Amendment is intended to guarantee that. It's also the reason why religion tests are banned in government activity. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:38:35 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 13:25:07 2016. Is this your equivalent of "KLUTZ?" |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:38:49 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:37:43 2016. No smart person carries a gun in public. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:39:08 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:35:25 2016. She's all of those thingsThanks. but not "reactionary."Oops, my bad. See, I'm not a political person! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:39:51 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:19:33 2016. Lulz. You? Listen? To anyone? Moar lulz. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:41:02 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:37:53 2016. You are confused. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 13:41:46 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:38:35 2016. Yes. And just as appropriate. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:43:15 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 12 13:41:02 2016. For sure. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 12 13:44:35 2016, in response to Re: Interesting electoral vote situation, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 12 13:38:49 2016. No smart person carries a gun in public.False. Bookmarked. |
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