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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016 While the GOP makes the usual political hay out of Obama's Asia trip--he's in Ho Chi Minh City tonight--it's worth noting that they've been selling Big Macs there for two years now.It's interesting to discover that in the long run, we actually did win the conflict over Vietnam after all. American corporate brands like McDonald's are doing more and more business in Vietnam all the time. We have certainly prevailed on the economic battleground, if not on the military one. Just my $0.02. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 23 22:15:40 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. Chances are your sneakers and some of your clothes were made there too. Vietnam is now replacing Bangladesh because their buildings tend to stay up. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 23 23:06:11 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. You're currently ignoring at least two topics that you are wrong about:1. You are ignoring the Santorum issue. 2. You are ignoring the "wait 2 or 3 seconds before proceeding on a green light" issue. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 23 23:11:45 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. Back to the Future 2 finally got something right about the future! :) Then again, US Air no longer exists (and hadn't been called US Air for almost 20 years). Oh well |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 23 23:16:06 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 23 23:06:11 2016. Also ignoring the HIV and black men thread. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 23 23:54:50 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. I really hope you're being facetious. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 01:56:03 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 23 23:54:50 2016. He's a homophobe. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 02:01:36 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 01:56:03 2016. Do you even know what the word means? Lulz. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 02:16:42 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. That makes about as much sense as saying that Germany won the war because some Americans and Russians drive Volkswagens. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 02:26:59 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 02:16:42 2016. Perhaps they did though. Cue Olog. :)
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 02:35:17 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 02:26:59 2016. oh noes!Not the Regina Coeli Flag! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 03:30:09 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 02:35:17 2016. Well ... you threw me for a loop there, I know the hymn Regina Coeli quite well, but can't associate it. Congrats, man ... I am *baffled!* Heh. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 24 07:29:11 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 03:30:09 2016. You're baffled often. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 24 07:30:22 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 02:16:42 2016. Exactly. Watch JayZeeBMT ignore the fact that you agree with me. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 09:24:38 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. The U.S. lost the war in many ways, if not militarily.Viet Nam won the war in the showy ways: victory parades, territory, bragging rights, Saigon becomes HCM (though many Vietnamese still say Saigon, just as many Russians continued to say "Peter" or Petersburg during the years it was Leningrad). But VN failed to heed the advice in "The Mouse That Roared." Lose the war, get American goodies, Win...? Viet Nam suffered from poverty and more for decades after they won the war. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 24 10:07:41 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 02:16:42 2016. I was speaking rhetorically, in the context that the war was fought over the spread of Communism in Vietnam, but here we are decades late, with capitalism appearing everywhere in that country. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:21:30 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue May 24 10:07:41 2016. I understand, but I think that speaks more to ultimate uselessness of war. That doesn't mean that war can always be avoided.The intent of the Viet Nam conflict was not only to stop the spread of Communism in Viet Nam, but in general. At the time Communism was successfully being established in a number of places (like Cuba, Africa, and the rest of Indochina), thus the "Domino Theory." In the short term, I suppose we were fortunate the Ho was a nationalist first, and a client of the Soviet Union, not China, or its might be a Chinese "protectorate" right now. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:24:24 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 02:01:36 2016. Facetious or homophobe? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 10:31:42 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:21:30 2016. It's a de facto Chinese protectorate. Communism = internationalism. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:35:51 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 10:31:42 2016. No it isn't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 10:36:12 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. it's worth noting that they've been selling Big Macs there for two years nowNo it isn't. JFTR, McDonald's has been in Red China since 1990. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 10:38:37 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:35:51 2016. Yes it is. It's just like the "tensions" between China and North Korea, when the latter has been its client state since its inception. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:43:12 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 10:38:37 2016. Sometimes your posts read like a Little Orphan Annie cartoon, c.1960. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 11:01:28 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:43:12 2016. That's OK. Keep believing the Kabuki theater. Mafia politics is part of communism; a little tribalism is to be expected. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 24 11:15:05 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 11:01:28 2016. You mean the Mafia that trump worked with over and over again? Lulz. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue May 24 12:22:28 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by bingbong on Tue May 24 11:15:05 2016. What mafia? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue May 24 14:22:44 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Dan on Tue May 24 12:22:28 2016. The New York mob. The Chicage mob. Probably others. It's not like they are champions of recordkeeping.Ever wonder why there's no reported labor strife, even though trump is known for hiring non union illegal immigrants for many of his construction jobs? Hmmmmm.... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 15:44:55 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 10:21:30 2016. I understand, but I think that speaks more to ultimate uselessness of war.Thank you. Americans sell the Vietnamese beef and jets. The Vietnamese sell the Americans sneakers and apparel. It works and it should have happened without the families and friends of 60,000 Americans and 2 million Vietnamese having to mourn the dead of a useless war. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 15:46:51 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 03:30:09 2016. Here   
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 15:59:05 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 10:31:42 2016. LOL!China and VN even had a war in 1979 after Vietnam toppled the China-backed Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Vietnam won THAT one too. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 16:23:35 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SLRT on Tue May 24 09:24:38 2016. Viet Nam won the war in the showy waysThe political and military objective of the North Vietnamese government was to conquer the South and unify the country under Communist rule. The political and military objective of the United States government was to prevent that. They achieved their objectives. We didn't. They won the war. We lost it. Period. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 17:34:37 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 15:46:51 2016. Ah ... thanks. Yeah, I stopped paying them any mind when the checks stopped clearing. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 24 17:38:20 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 24 07:29:11 2016. Brushie-brushie.
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 24 22:36:40 2016, in response to Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon May 23 22:09:41 2016. bad war - bad policy - stop the reds before the take over the world - and the saddest result - 80K plus names on the Wall. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 25 10:01:50 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 24 22:36:40 2016. 80K plus names on the Wall.Really? How? Deaths in Viet Nam were about 55,000 and actual combat deaths something over 40,000. (~15,000 from other causes in-country such as disease, accidents and such). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 10:08:30 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by SLRT on Wed May 25 10:01:50 2016. According to Wikipedia, there are 58,307 names on the Vietnam memorial. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed May 25 10:15:19 2016, in response to Re: Obama's Asia trip...and who REALLY won the Vietnam War, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 10:08:30 2016. That sounds right: ~41,000 in combat, over 5,000 of wounds later (any time later, either soon or with the wounds contributing to death later).More than 9,000 in accidents and 1,000 of illiness and various smaller numbers from other causes including, sadly, "self-inflicted." |
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