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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 12:55:43 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 12:53:20 2016. Why would it make you miserable? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 13:03:23 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 12:55:43 2016. Erm, have you ever actually read them? While the Shabbat rules are long and complicated, they can be fairly succinctly summarised as "no convenience, no fulfillment, and no fun."Because doing anything fulfilling or fun is "work," you see, and we can't have that on a day of rest. Nope, it's 25 hours of boredom in which you can barely even leave your house! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 13:04:55 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Pesach, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 23 12:09:16 2016. If he tried to bring a ham to a Muslim post-fast dinner on Eid al-Fitr, he might even be killed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 13:13:03 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Pesach, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 13:04:55 2016. Right, because in your little world all Muslims are murdering terrorists. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 23 13:31:48 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 11:36:09 2016. Bullshit!! Your post had nothing to do with celebrating it your own way, it was meant specifically to mock. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 13:43:06 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 23 13:31:48 2016. Bullshit!! Your post had nothing to do with celebrating it your own way...How does a post about celebrating Passover in my own way have nothing to do with celebrating Passover in my own way? ...it was meant specifically to mock. Actually, it wasn't. I explained this previously, but you're clearly too selfish to understand it. The good news is that anyone selfish enough to consider any deviation from his own belief to be a mean-spirited attempt to mock his belief is selfish enough to deserve mocking. So which is it? Do you concede that my post was not "meant specifically to mock" and your statement was erroneous, or do you concede that you're a self-centered asshole who deserves to be mocked? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 13:47:47 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 13:03:23 2016. I don't agree except for the electricity ban. Until the 19th century, the Sabbath rules were actually good, in that it was a way to protect workers from having to work 7 days a week. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 13:58:06 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 11:54:59 2016. You get a thrill out of bringing pork to a seder. Then you boast about it so you can show off what an iconoclast you are. Sad. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 13:58:14 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 23 13:31:48 2016. Just like last time he did it. He's got a whole internet to hide behind so nobody can slap him upside the head, of course. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 13:59:19 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 13:58:06 2016. Wonder who cut his stones off?I already suggested he bring ham to Eid al-Fitr. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 14:04:23 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 13:47:47 2016. Resting on the seventh day was the first labor law. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:17:00 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 13:47:47 2016. I don't agree except for the electricity ban.Wait, you agree with all the Shabbat rules except the electricity ban, or you agree with me in opposing all Shabbat rules except for the electricity ban? Until the 19th century, the Sabbath rules were actually good, in that it was a way to protect workers from having to work 7 days a week. That may be true, but as I've made quite clear on many occasions (including repeatedly in this thread), I oppose the idea of blindly following tradition because it's tradition. It doesn't matter how useful, valuable, or necessary a practice was in the distant past; if it's not useful now, it shouldn't be done. After all, until the 19th century, horses were indispensable for transportation and labour but you won't hear many people arguing that we absolutely need to keep stables full of them now. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:17:32 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 14:04:23 2016. Heh. Indeed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:30:35 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Pesach, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 13:58:14 2016. You do know I've met Jeff Rosen in person, right? At least I'm pretty sure I did.You, on the other hand, wouldn't dare show your face at any fan trip, museum, or event. 
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 23 14:37:40 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:17:00 2016. No, the difference is he didn't start a thread bragging about it to mock. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:46:42 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 14:04:23 2016. Exactly. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 23 14:46:46 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 12:54:09 2016. There is no such word. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:51:15 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:17:00 2016. Neither. I don't observe any of the Sabbath rules, except possibly inadvertently.I am also opposed to tradition for the most part. While you are practicing tradition by having a Seder. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:54:13 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 23 14:46:46 2016. And you call yourself a Subchatter. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 23 14:55:48 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:51:15 2016. Is it still practicing tradition if one alters the tradition in one extremely major way? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Apr 23 14:58:38 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by AlM on Sat Apr 23 14:55:48 2016. Yeah, it's like observing sex abstinance by participating in an orgy. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:58:54 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 13:58:06 2016. You get a thrill out of bringing pork to a seder.I said that where? Oh wait, you just made it up. Then you boast about it so you can show off what an iconoclast you are. OK, since you're pretty clearly not Jewish, allow me to explain something to you. Judaism, like every other religion, has numerous different sects and divisions and varieties. Orthodox Jews follow kashrut and thus abstain from pork (and many other delicious foods). Reform Jews consider it more of an individual choice; my synagogue taught that kashrut was basically obsolete, and it's up to you whether to follow it or not. So telling sarcastically claiming a Jew is "such an iconoclast" for eating pork is like sarcastically claiming that a Christian is "such an iconoclast" for dismissing the sanctity of the Pope. Last year (or was it the year before?), I posted a thread celebrating Passover the way various Chatters do for most holidays, assuming it was just as innocuous as any other. However, since that post detailed my (literally) unOrthodox festivities, it ignited a massive tantrum on the part of Orthodox Jews screaming that they were the sole arbiters of Judaism and that it's inherently antisemitic to observe Jewish holidays and/or be Jewish in any way that deviates from their narrow-minded dogma. Given that I finally got another Seder invite this year, I figured it was as good a time as any to make another post celebrating Passover and see if it provokes another tantrum among the crybabies who think they get to tell everyone what to do. Of course, most of the crybabies are still secluded from the internet in service of one of their asinine rules so thus far we only have the hypocritical ones who are violating Shabbos to complain that I don't obey kashrut. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:59:52 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 23 14:37:40 2016. What "difference?"I think you may have posted your incoherent whining in the wrong place. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 23 15:00:35 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:54:13 2016. I speak English. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 15:00:38 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:46:42 2016. Mind you, it's a pity it took so long to get the next labour law. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 15:01:10 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 23 14:46:46 2016. So you're not a Jew and you're not a SubChatter either? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 15:02:20 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by AlM on Sat Apr 23 14:55:48 2016. Like most of philosophy, it's really just arguing over definitions. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 15:17:55 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 14:51:15 2016. I am also opposed to tradition for the most part. While you are practicing tradition by having a Seder.Well, as noted, I'm opposed to following tradition simply because it's tradition. That's not the same thing as opposing tradition simply because it's tradition. If you started doing something because it was fun then and you continue to do it because it's fun now, then go ahead. Abstaining from something you enjoy simply because it's a tradition is as absurd as doing something you hate simply because it's a tradition. As it happens, Seders are fun. I used to attend (at least) one every year and I generally enjoyed it quite a bit. However, while I enjoy many aspects of a Seder, I did not enjoy the dry ritualistic claptrap. Luckily, it turned out that many people shared my opinion. One year, we swapped the Haggaddah for a decidedly irreverent homemade alternative, and that basically just opened the floodgates for various improvements to the tradition. Doing what works regardless of its status as "tradition" is how things should be. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 15:19:52 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Pesach, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 13:59:19 2016. I already suggested he bring ham to Eid al-Fitr.Are you inviting me to your Eid al-Fitr celebration? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 16:19:04 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 14:58:54 2016. Refusing to follow the dictates of self appointed Guardians of the Faith is one thing.Conducting a Seder all in English would offend some. But bringing traif to a Jewish ritual mocks a universally accepted religious taboo. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 23 16:35:28 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 16:19:04 2016. Since Nilet doesn't follow the tenets of Judaism, there's nothing wrong with him having a nice delicious ham dinner tonight. It's only by pure chance that I didn't have a bacon and egg sandwich this morning.However, it's absurd to refer to his meal this evening as a Seder. |
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Posted by Fwt9000 on Sat Apr 23 16:52:38 2016, in response to It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 10:39:23 2016. here we go again... Popcorn is popping and getting ready to watch subchat melt down over this |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 17:04:07 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 16:19:04 2016. Refusing to follow the dictates of self appointed Guardians of the Faith is one thing.Conducting a Seder all in English would offend some. But bringing traif to a Jewish ritual mocks a universally accepted religious taboo. Except it's not universally accepted, as I have just explained to you. That said, I'd be happy to explain to the dozen-odd people who will be attending that none of them are Jewish, according to some goy on the internet. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 17:07:41 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 17:04:07 2016. Oh boy, what goy? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 17:22:03 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by AlM on Sat Apr 23 16:35:28 2016. Since Nilet doesn't follow the tenets of Judaism...OK, let me stop you right there before you make a fool of yourself. Firstly, Judaism refers to an ethnicity as well as a religion. No matter what I believe, and no matter what I do, I'll always be (ethnically) Jewish because that's determined by my cultural upbringing, which I can't go back and change. Secondly, the religion of Judaism has multiple sects with different rituals and beliefs. My particular background is an especially liberal variety of Reform Judaism, which places emphasis on reason over dogma. It also carried a fair amount of dogma, but by placing emphasis on reason over dogma I could argue I'm following the spirit of that belief by rejecting its extraneous cruft. So you're wrong. I am Jewish, and if your argument relies on the assumption that I'm not, you're just making yourself look stupid. ...there's nothing wrong with him having a nice delicious ham dinner tonight. It's not just me. This is a Seder. However, it's absurd to refer to his meal this evening as a Seder. How so? When a dozen-odd Jews gather at the start of Passover to hold a festive meal for the specific purpose of celebrating Passover, which follows the basic form of a traditional Seder (while tweaking a few details by mutual decision), what do you call it? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 17:23:53 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Fwt9000 on Sat Apr 23 16:52:38 2016. Popcorn? On Passover?! THAT'S ANTISEMITIC!!!!!11111eleventhousandonehundredandeleven |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 23 17:56:55 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 14:04:23 2016. Someone needs to tell retail establishments about that. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 19:35:50 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Apr 23 13:31:48 2016. I didn't see any "It is now Lent" threads this year either. And it's a safe bet that any "It is now Chūnjié" threads are a no-no. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 20:57:57 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by AlM on Sat Apr 23 16:35:28 2016. In many languages, the holiday celebrating the resurrection of Christ is called "Pascha" or some variation thereon. I consider that more offensive than Nilet calling his meal tonight a Seder.Seder means order in Hebrew, so if his Seder follows some order of events and includes reading of stories, it's more of a Seder than just having a meal with matzo. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 21:24:55 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 19:35:50 2016. I didn't see any "It is now Lent" threads this year either. Take that up with LuchAAA. I'm pretty sure he celebrates Lent. And it's a safe bet that any "It is now Chūnjié" threads are a no-no. Does anybody here celebrate that? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 21:25:41 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 19:35:50 2016. Wait, hold up. Are you complaining that I didn't post to announce that I was celebrating holidays that I don't celebrate? I think your logic is a little bit backwards. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 23 21:28:37 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 21:25:41 2016. Reef this thread. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 21:28:50 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 23 20:57:57 2016. I consider that more offensive than Nilet calling his meal tonight a Seder.There were only six of us instead of the dozen-odd I was expecting, but I can assure you every single one of us called it a Seder. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Apr 23 21:30:02 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 23 21:28:37 2016. Actually, banning Olog should be sufficient. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 24 09:18:04 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 23 21:28:37 2016. Hear hear. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Sun Apr 24 10:17:38 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Apr 23 11:07:02 2016. Haven't you treated others the same way for keeping Kosher? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 24 10:19:54 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by DAND124 on Sun Apr 24 10:17:38 2016. PWN3D! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 24 11:51:23 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SLRT on Sat Apr 23 11:09:37 2016. No not really. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 24 11:52:00 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 23 21:28:37 2016. Yeah, it's just troll and flame bait for someone that needs attention. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Apr 24 12:43:43 2016, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 23 17:56:55 2016. Well, they ended the Blue Laws as an intrusion of religion into secular life. |
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