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Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?
Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Dec 1 15:31:59 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 1 07:46:46 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d There's also a better chance for a conviction from a military tribunal. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
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Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?
Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Dec 1 15:38:44 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 1 10:36:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I think CRNA's have higher pay, though. Generally way higher. However a PA specialized in assisting in rare fields of surgery can make about the same, if not more.
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Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Tue Dec 1 17:03:26 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 1 07:50:15 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d It is what it is ...
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Dec 1 18:46:32 2015, in response to Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 27 19:02:40 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d No peep about the mass stabbing by a muslim-D at UC either. No peep about a typical NY'er in bookstore who when asked for help said "f--- you Jew, I'm a muslim and I'm here to kill you" I'm assuming there was none in here about the University of Chicago being shut down to protect the population about the threats of a genocide to take place. But I didn't check today. I lived in a liberal craphole before, I see the frustration(NY ain't the liberal people make it out to be, therefore it don't count). But enough of my pretending to have a Kerry moment. I don't see how giving Hussein Nobama an excuse to go on his gun rants is going to bring back "conservative ideas".
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Posted by Dave* on Tue Dec 1 20:13:55 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 1 15:31:59 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What's so funny?
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Posted by Dave* on Tue Dec 1 20:17:41 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 1 15:38:44 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yup. Mid-100's for CRNA's and high 90's for PAs.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Tue Dec 1 20:19:31 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 1 20:13:55 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Simply that no terrorist subject to a civilian trial has ever been acquitted.
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Posted by Dave* on Tue Dec 1 20:35:54 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 1 20:19:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d False. "DETROIT, June 3 — Two Arab immigrants were convicted in federal court here today in a terrorist plot against American airports, military bases and landmarks like Disneyland." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/04/national/04DETR.html "Indicted in federal court, three trials of the Liberty City Seven defendants took place. One defendant was acquitted in the first trial, but the jury deadlocked on the other six defendants and a mistrial occurred." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City_Seven See page 175: https://books.google.com/books?id=-3CuViIjqj8C&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=has+a+terrorist+defendant+in+the+united+states+ever+been+acquitted&source=bl&ots=Z2vHQyHX-d&sig=QuQn-N3zyRaSYgCRSSoGU0S694M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmh-aIgbzJAhVC_R4KHb5-CKwQ6AEITjAJ#v=onepage&q=has%20a%20terrorist%20defendant%20in%20the%20united%20states%20ever%20been%20acquitted&f=false "In a sharp rebuke, a federal judge today acquitted seven members of a Lenawee County militia group of plotting to overthrow the U.S. government with weapons of mass destruction." http://archive.freep.com/article/20120327/NEWS06/120327048/Judge-dismisses-critical-charges-in-Hutaree-case I could post more but you get the point. Yes, defendants in a civil trial for terrorism do get acquitted.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Tue Dec 1 23:12:33 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 1 20:35:54 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d No, I don't. These were domestic terrorists. While I didn't specify Islamist terrorists, I thought that's what the thread was about.
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 1 23:13:50 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 1 23:12:33 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d Not the whole thread, but SMAZ's post - "when the right demanded military trials for terrorists instead of a federal jury." That was about Islamist terrorists.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Tue Dec 1 23:14:27 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Tue Dec 1 10:35:10 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d And he was convicted.
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Posted by Dave* on Wed Dec 2 00:52:33 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 1 23:14:27 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What does that have to do with mtk's post about closing the courtroom to the public?
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Posted by SMAZ* on Wed Dec 2 09:57:47 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 2 00:52:33 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d what makes you think courts-martial are closed to the public? Under the the UCMJ, even the proceedings equivalent to a grand jury are open to the public.
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Posted by Dave* on Wed Dec 2 18:11:15 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 2 09:57:47 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Military courts of appeal have noted that the right to a public court martial hearing is not absolute, and a court may, on occasion and with good reason, close the court martial. For example, parts of the Bradley Manning court martial were closed to the public. In the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed trial in a military commission at Gitmo, his sound was turned off at times so reporters and observers in other rooms could not hear.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Dec 7 20:19:24 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 28 00:01:05 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d BUMP
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 08:45:03 2015, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 28 00:01:05 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d bump
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Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?
Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 12 00:33:05 2016, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 00:47:27 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d Doesn't change the fact that you often post cop out excuses when you're shown to be wrong. You have no spine.
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Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?
Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 12 00:33:56 2016, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 30 15:24:15 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d No one was trolling, and no one asked for personal information. That's all in your head. But even if both were true, they STILL could be doing it for the LULZ. You are so wrong.
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Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed May 11 19:38:32 2016, in response to Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 27 19:02:40 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d So, thou again jumpest unto thy conclusion. Associated Press Colorado Planned Parenthood shooter mentally incompetent May 11, 2016 6:39 PM EDT A man who acknowledged killing three people at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic is mentally incompetent to continue with his criminal case, a judge ruled Wednesday, stalling the proceedings and potentially setting the stage for a mental health defense. The decision by Judge Gilbert Martinez puts the case against Robert Dear, 57, on hold until treatment restores his ability to understand the proceedings and assist in his defense. He will be sent to the state psychiatric hospital, and his mental health will be reviewed in August. Two psychologists have found he has a delusion disorder, which they said keeps him from trusting almost anyone, including his lawyers. Martinez agreed with their findings, writing in his order that Dear's "perceptions and understanding are not rational and are not grounded in reality." As he was led out of the courtroom, Dear yelled at the judge: "That's called prejudiced! Prejudiced! Filthy animal!" Dear is charged with 179 counts, including murder and attempted murder, stemming from the Nov. 27 shooting at the Colorado Springs clinic that also left nine injured. During previous courtroom outbursts, he has declared himself a "warrior for the babies" and said he was guilty. He told investigators he attacked the clinic because he was upset with the reproductive health organization for "the selling of baby parts." Martinez ordered the competency exam in December after Dear announced that he wanted to fire his public defenders and represent himself. Two psychologists who interviewed Dear testified that they agreed he is not competent and that his delusion disorder makes him believe the FBI is persecuting him. Dear told people in phone calls from jail that he believes his attorneys' attempt to have him declared incompetent is part of a plot to diminish his message opposing abortion. He claims they want him committed to a psychiatric hospital so they can "silence him forever." He told the psychologists he did not want to be declared incompetent because it would mean "forced medication." The Colorado Mental Health Institute at Pueblo, where Dear will be sent, can force people to take medication over their objections. His treatment will likely include a mix of psychotropic drugs and therapy to treat his disorder, as well as education about the proceedings against him. Restoring Dear to competency could take months or longer. But the overwhelming majority of defendants initially determined to be incompetent are eventually able to understand the proceedings and stand trial, said Steven Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist who has conducted competency exams but is not involved in Dear's case. Prosecutors argued that Dear's courtroom disruptions showed he understood the case against him. They have not decided whether to seek the death penalty against the man described by family and acquaintances as a man with a violent temper, anti-government sentiments and longstanding disdain for abortion providers. Dear has not entered a plea. If and when his court case resumes, the incompetency finding could help the defense during the trial and a potential sentencing phase. "In a case of this magnitude when a defendant is initially found incompetent to stand trial and is then restored to competency, there is a strong possibility that there will be a mental health defense," Pitt said. "It is an absolute certainty that the defendant's mental health history will be front and center during the penalty phase." The psychologists who interviewed Dear recently released court documents showing Dear idolized Paul Hill, an abortion foe who killed a Florida doctor more than two decades ago. Dear also told investigators he put glue in the locks at an abortion clinic when he lived in South Carolina, a common protest technique among activists trying to shut down such facilities. He spent most of his life in North and South Carolina before moving recently to an isolated community in Colorado's mountains, where he lived in a trailer with no electricity. He held police at bay for more than five hours during the attack, scattering hundreds of post-Thanksgiving shoppers who scrambled to hide inside surrounding buildings until the standoff ended.
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Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent
Posted by AlM* on Wed May 11 19:55:48 2016, in response to Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 11 19:38:32 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d What's your point? What contradiction is there with someone being a Republican and also being mentally incompetent?
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Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed May 11 23:15:42 2016, in response to Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent, posted by AlM on Wed May 11 19:55:48 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d And especially given the fact that the original post had proof of him stating quite clearly that he was indeed both. :) Not my fault the original image is no longer with us, more internet revisionism.
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Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?
Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 12 01:41:57 2016, in response to Re: Wow ... not a peep about today's terrorist attack on American soil?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 27 19:23:49 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d IAWTP
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Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu May 12 09:19:26 2016, in response to Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent, posted by AlM on Wed May 11 19:55:48 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d What contradiction is there with someone being a Republican and also being mentally incompetent? You see "Republicans" hiding under your bed at night, don't you?
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Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent
Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 12 09:24:09 2016, in response to Re: Colorado PP shooter Robert Dear found mentally incompetent, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 12 09:19:26 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d And now you can go back under now.
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