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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 11:09:55 2015, in response to Re: Fuck you, Texas, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 10:37:36 2015. Gee, I wonder what it was. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 11:15:28 2015, in response to Re: Selkirk Has Reached A New Low, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Nov 4 09:36:04 2015. At first I disagreed with you and now I agree with you. Obscenities should not be used in subject lines. If someone is forced to come to this site through a filtered connection, it would cause the whole site to be unavailable.Keep the obscenities to the body of the post please. Port Washington Bra |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 11:18:08 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 10:51:43 2015. THANK YOU! Idiots don’t know what “protected class” means. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 11:19:26 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 10:53:30 2015. Yes, race, gender and sexual orientation are all classes. “LGBT” is not.If it were called “SLGBT” it would be a protected class. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 4 11:58:48 2015, in response to Re: Fuck you, Texas, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 09:30:28 2015. iawtp |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:01:42 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 11:01:27 2015. What does it take for a man to "transition" to a woman? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 12:10:34 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:01:42 2015. Hormones and surgery. Same as the other way. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:13:32 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 12:10:34 2015. So you don't consider Caitlyn Jenner a woman? She hasn't had surgery and still has all her man parts. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:16:31 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 11:01:27 2015. If rights aren't supposed to be put to a popular vote then how are they decided? Legislative votes? Court decisions? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 12:17:58 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:13:32 2015. I don't. I don't consider her a man either. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Nov 4 12:18:55 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 11:01:27 2015. have the right to use gender-appropriate facilities in public accommodationsFor some reason, there's a class of people that probably don't mind the LGB portion of LGBT, but the whole idea of transgender individuals using the bathroom is what seems to be the case that's scaring everybody away, and from what I've seen circulating on right friends posts on FB, it's definitely the issue of men transitioning to women that seems to be scaring everybody even more. A woman transiting to a man maybe seen as weird, but it's not scary, but the opposite seems to bring up stranger danger for some people. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:20:52 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Nov 4 12:18:55 2015. In California schools kids don't even have to be transitioning. If they say that they identify as the opposite sex, they can use the other bathroom. Our workplaces may be the same for all I know. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 12:22:15 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Nov 4 12:18:55 2015. I don't see why. A man who transitions is then legally, and in most cases anatomically, a woman, and expresses this new gender outwardly in dress, speech, and carriage. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 12:25:22 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 12:22:15 2015. It's because people have the irrational fear that the "only" reason that a man transitions to a woman is so that he (now she) can prey on women in public restrooms. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Nov 4 12:29:56 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 4 12:22:15 2015. The fear can be summed up as "we're not quite sure if that person undergoing transition into womanhood isn't going to be some horrible rapist (or other lowly pervert) so I don't want him in the bathroom or locker room around me/my wife/my daughter". |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 12:39:43 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:13:32 2015. Every individual has the right to choose their own gender identity. As to which restroom they use, personally,I see no problem with using a women's room as they do not have urinals, so there is no chance of public genital displays. ( I also don't get why anyone would so desire taking the 30% pay cut, as well as the longer lines for said public accomodation) In fact, due to that reality, I find the whole thing hysterical. Bunch of guys worried about a transgender taking it out where the wimmens can see it simply on the basis of there being urinals in the mens room! LULZ! Serious Lulz.Once again, I repeat, THERE ARE NO URINALS IN A WOMEN'S ROOM. Get over yourselves, RWers...... |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:43:50 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Nov 4 12:29:56 2015. The bar for transitioning seems to be set pretty low in many places. You don't have to have surgery, take hormones, or any of that. You just say that you identify as whatever sex you'd like. But regardless of that technicality what are businesses supposed to do to prevent anyone from using any restroom? Anecdotally from women I've talked to, passing this type of law means that most women will no longer use public restrooms. Or maybe they have to be redesigned for more privacy. But maybe that's a small price to pay. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 12:43:54 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 12:39:43 2015. That's why I've never understood the fuss about a man going into a women's restroom.There's simply NOTHING to see there as a women's restroom is all stalls. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:45:59 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 12:43:54 2015. Yet we here all the time about guys being caught hiding in there, planting cameras in there, taking videos. They even get arrested. Just crazy stuff people make a fuss about is all that is. There's nothing to see anyway. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:46:15 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 12:43:54 2015. Yet we hear all the time about guys being caught hiding in there, planting cameras in there, taking videos. They even get arrested. Just crazy stuff people make a fuss about is all that is. There's nothing to see anyway. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 4 12:47:32 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 12:25:22 2015. Wow. That thought would never have occurred to me. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Nov 4 12:48:05 2015, in response to Re: Selkirk Has Reached A New Low, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 11:15:28 2015. Thank you. I think. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:50:58 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 4 12:47:32 2015. It never occurred to anyone but tony g. He's mixed up. The fear is that perverts will lie about being transgender to use the women's room and that seems very possible. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Nov 4 12:53:58 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:43:50 2015. If there is any such issue, the design of said bathroom is clearly what is at fault. Regardless of gender, people should be comfortable with their privacy in the restroom. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 12:55:02 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 4 12:47:32 2015. Yeah. Especially as I know what goes on in those women's rooms....the most exposure anyone sees is some two year old having a tantrum with their pants down. As to those with the cameras, et al, it's usually an employment related thing, as the typical patron of a restroom isn't around long enough to drill a hole, set up a camera, and obtain their object footage. Interlopers are generally rooted out pretty quickly. I doubt anyone would actually identify a transgendered person if they just use the facility as anyone else would. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 13:01:49 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:50:58 2015. They'd have to dress the part. And once inside, they will be sooo disappointed as to what goes on in there. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:05:15 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by R30A on Wed Nov 4 12:53:58 2015. True. We need to get rid of those gaps on the stall doors. And/or go to individual stalls that are more like bathrooms in homes.But I can see this example happening. A woman walks into a bathroom and a guy follows behind her. He looks like a guy and is wearing clothes identified with men (I'm likely being unintentionally offensive describing gender specific clothing). It's a small bathroom and it's just the two of them. Maybe he's a pervert or maybe he identifies as a woman. Who knows? But I can see where she might be very uncomfortable using a stall and doing her business. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:05:59 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:16:31 2015. Court decisions. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:06:41 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 13:01:49 2015. What?? So you have to dress a certain way to be a woman? Does that go for all women or just women that were born with female anatomy? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:07:40 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:06:41 2015. I meant born without female anatomy. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:08:44 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:05:59 2015. With everything? Alcohol, guns, drugs, religion, etc? |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 13:21:07 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 12:50:58 2015. I'm not mixed up.I understand the fear but I believe it's misplaced. Have you heard of an increase of safety concerns in the 200+ cities that have enacted these equal rights ordinances (or in the whole state of California)? No. Because the people opposed to this are highlighting a problem that simply doesn't exist. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:23:11 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:08:44 2015. No, only rights. What does that have to do with alcohol or drugs? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:23:21 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 13:21:07 2015. You're either mixed up or you intentionally misstated the oppositions position. Which is it? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:24:14 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:23:11 2015. Alcohol and drugs can't be declared a right? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:25:31 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:24:14 2015. We’re talking about basic human rights. Not about alcohol and drugs. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 13:25:46 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:06:41 2015. No, it doesn't matter what you wear. A woman is a woman as she identifies with it. And rights need not be trampled because of an outlier.....that pervert you seem to keep bringing up, although cases of such are so rare they get press attention. In this day and age, chances are one can dial 911 from the stall if they really feel threatened (there's always warning signs) and obtain assistance if your scenario should play out. It's utterly ridiculous to spread such a panic, and one, in this case, that created a climate where rights are now denied. Is extra heinous. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:28:08 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 13:25:46 2015. And rights need not be trampled because of an outlier. . .that gunman you seem to keep bringing up, although cases of such are so rare they get press attention. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:37:10 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:25:31 2015. Marriage and which restrooms to use are more basic human rights than being able to inhale, ingest, or inject whatever you want into your own body? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Nov 4 13:40:20 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:28:08 2015. What, you mean the one that pops up at least daily accidentally shooting someone?That happens way too often to ignore. Get some perspective. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:42:53 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:37:10 2015. Yes. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 13:46:15 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:23:21 2015. The opponents position was the following:"No Men in Women's Bathrooms" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/03/why-houstons-gay-rights-ordinance-failed-bathrooms/ Why Houston’s gay rights ordinance failed: Fear of men in women’s bathrooms By Justin Wm. Moyer November 4 at 12:48 AM Houston’s Equal Rights Ordinance (HERO), designed to protect the rights of gay citizens and others, has failed by a wide margin — after a hard-fought campaign in which opponents warned it would give male sexual predators access to women’s bathrooms. On Tuesday, Houston voters were presented with this question: “Are you in favor of the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, Ord. No. 2014-530, which prohibits discrimination in city employment and city services, city contracts, public accommodations, private employment, and housing based on an individual’s sex, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, familial status, marital status, military status, religion, disability, sexual orientation, genetic information, gender identity, or pregnancy?” While the final results were not in as of early Wednesday, it seems almost two-thirds of voters said “No.” At 12:30 a.m. EST, the tally was 61 percent opposed, 39 percent in favor with 95 percent of precincts reporting, as ABC13 noted. “This was a campaign of fear-mongering and deliberate lies,” Houston Mayor Annise Parker (D) — the city’s first lesbian mayor who said HERO was “personal” — said, as KHOU reported. “No one’s rights should be subject to a popular vote.” “We are disappointed with today’s outcome, but our work to secure nondiscrimination protections for all hard-working Houstonians will continue,” Houston Unites, a coalition of groups supporting HERO that includes the ACLU of Texas and Houston’s NAACP chapter, said in a statement. “No one should have to live with the specter of discrimination hanging over them. Everyone should have the freedom to work hard, earn a decent living and provide for themselves and their families.” But as much as HERO’s proponents decried the vote, the proposition was rejected by a decisive majority of the citizens of the nation’s fourth-largest city. Turnout was strong among white conservatives and African Americans — demographics likely to oppose the measure, as the Los Angeles Times pointed out. “I just hope that cities across the nation are watching,” Pastor Steve Riggle of Houston’s Grace Community Church said after the vote, as Fox 26 reported. “And that leaders … will step up and stand up and stand against this thing that’s encroaching across the nation with intimidation and fear and telling people who just believe in common moral decency that they have no voice.” The fight over what became known as the “bathroom ordinance” began last year when Houston’s city council passed the anti-discrimination measure. After it was in effect for just three months, a lawsuit demanding the city either repeal the ordinance or have residents vote on it prevailed. “It has been shown and demonstrated that the people of the city do not want this ordinance,” the Rev. Max Miller of the Baptist Ministers Association of Houston and Vicinity, said in July. “We simply say: Allow the people to vote on this ordinance.” He added: “We’re standing up to protect our women and our children.” Miller was talking about protecting bathrooms — and the ensuing campaign, which pitted gay-rights advocates against Houston’s religious community, got ugly. Though Mayor Parker said HERO was meant to show “Houston does not discriminate,” its opponents — many conservative Christians — said HERO made women’s bathrooms around the city fair game for sexual predators and/or transgender women. Indeed, it became known as the “Sexual Predator Protection Act.” Former Houston Astros star Lance Berkman, stoking fears on the bathroom issue, was one big name who weighed in against HERO. In a radio ad, he had few positive things to say about transgender women, calling them “troubled men.” “No men in women’s bathrooms, no boys in girls’ showers or locker rooms,” Berkman said in the ad. “I played professional baseball for 15 years, but my family is more important. My wife and I have four daughters. Proposition 1, the bathroom ordinance, would allow troubled men to enter women’s public bathrooms, showers and locker rooms. This would violate their privacy and put them in harm’s way.” “Anybody with a penis, I don’t want them in the ladies’ restroom,” Loyce Johnson, 70, a retiree who volunteered for a campaign against HERO, told The Washington Post’s Sandhya Somashekhar. Parker decried the purported connection between HERO and sex crimes, calling it a “strange obsession.” “It is illegal today to go into a place of public accommodation for the intent of committing a crime,” she said. “It was illegal before, it’s going to be illegal after.” Opponents countered that Parker — an elected official in Houston for most of the past two decades — was proof that Houston does not discriminate, and does not need an ordinance like HERO. “There’s not this vast problem of discrimination in Houston,” Paul Simpson, chairman of the surrounding county’s Republican Party, told the Los Angeles Times. “… No one worried about her orientation when she was first elected.” As the debate raged in Houston, HERO made its mark nationwide. “HOUSTON: Vote Texas values, not Hillary Clinton values,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) tweeted on Monday. “Vote NO on City of Houston Proposition 1. No men in women’s bathrooms.” “Greg Abbott is right about one thing: equality is one of Hillary’s values,” Clinton responded Tuesday, encouraging citizens to vote “yes.” The White House also supported HERO. “While the Administration generally does not take a formal position on specific proposals or initiatives, the President and Vice President have been strong supporters of state and local efforts to protect Americans from being discriminated against based on who they are and who they love,” White House spokesman Jeff Tiller said in a statement last week. “We’re confident that the citizens of Houston will vote in favor of fairness and equality.” Across the country, 17 states and more than 200 municipalities bar discrimination in housing, employment and public accommodations based on sexual orientation and gender identity, according to Freedom for All Americans, a gay rights group that was active in the pro-HERO campaign. Those who oppose such measures said the tide may yet turn. “If we win here,” Jared Woodfill, a HERO opponent who sued to get the measure on the ballot, said, “I think it will be an opportunity to defeat these types of ordinances when they pop up.” |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:51:14 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:42:53 2015. Until the courts decide otherwise at least. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:53:47 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 13:46:15 2015. Can you snip the part where the opposition stated that the only reason anyone would become transgender would be to prey on women in public restrooms? |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 13:57:08 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:53:47 2015. You got me. I misspoke. You win a prize.I meant to say that it seems that the whole "fear" element of this came out of the fact that men would "lie" about the fact that they're transgendered or not (or simply use this ordinance as a defense) so that they would be able to use the women's restroom to prey on women. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:59:25 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 13:51:14 2015. Sure. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Nov 4 14:00:40 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by TonyG on Wed Nov 4 13:57:08 2015. Have you discussed this with any women? I have. At least one has already used a restroom with a transgendered person and they were a little scared because the woman didn't look feminine. She looked like a regular guy in a dress. Women are already weird about public restrooms as it is, in case you don't know. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Nov 4 14:22:06 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 13:28:08 2015. or the deeply religious caterer who does not want to facilitate a same sex marriage |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 14:32:01 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Nov 4 14:22:06 2015. He’s not facilitating anything. But if he doesn’t want the business, fine, he shouldn’t be forced to work against his will. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Nov 4 14:36:34 2015, in response to Re: Well done, Houston, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 14:32:01 2015. and he should have the right to exercise his rights under the First Amendment without public flogging just as bingbong wants people who "identify" as female to be able to use the female bathroom without public flogging |
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