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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 7 16:34:13 2015, in response to Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:24:31 2015. Glad to see you can make fun out of a terrible tragedy. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:47:36 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 7 16:34:13 2015. It's now a tragedy? Since when did we get a Republican president and you folks started caring again?Is this kinda like the greedy EPA situation versus who they acted towards BP? No, as Will says, I'm making fun of "your ilk" |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 7 20:31:24 2015, in response to Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:24:31 2015. Of course not. No president has ever been held accountable for war crimes. Frankly, bombing a hospital is barely even a footnote on Obama's lengthy rap sheet. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 7 20:32:56 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:47:36 2015. No, as Will says, I'm making fun of "your ilk"You're clearly not doing a very good job of it if you're only just noticing that Obama is a war criminal. Us liberals noticed that around February of 2009. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Oct 7 21:03:31 2015, in response to Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:24:31 2015. You're an idiot you realize that because use US has NOT ratified the Rome Statute so no one in the US could be charged with a War Crime by the ICC. Also Obama didn't order the Strike, this was a failure of protocol.Learn to think before you post something retarded you moron. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Oct 7 21:42:50 2015, in response to Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:24:31 2015. It's called a war.Unfortunately, every war has collateral damage. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 8 09:37:26 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by Nilet on Wed Oct 7 20:32:56 2015. Yes, Obama qualifies as a war criminal because he's an American. That's all you really need.Nobody bothers calling Jihadis and their commanders war criminals. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 8 09:39:02 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Oct 7 21:03:31 2015. I always feared that an Obama might join the ICC in a fit of world-spiritedness.But he hasn't, for which I am grateful. What do you think Bernie Sanders might do? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 8 20:39:16 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 8 09:37:26 2015. Yes, Obama qualifies as a war criminal because he's an American.Sort of. He qualifies as a war criminal because he bombs hospitals, targets civilians, and tortures prisoners (among other things) while acting on behalf of the United States of America in his capacity as head of state. Nobody bothers calling Jihadis and their commanders war criminals. Well yes. You can't be a war criminal unless you're fighting a war on behalf of a state or a quasi-state entity. Assad is a war criminal and ISIS may be, but we don't bother calling them that because at least in America, calling someone The Enemy™ is considered sufficient reason to kill them in and of itself. Al Qaeda (if they're even still around) and the usual assortment of loosely organised groups can't be war criminals because they're not acting on behalf of a state. They're just regular criminals. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 8 22:42:39 2015, in response to Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 7 16:24:31 2015. LOL. A war crime, like any crime, requires criminal intent. Accidents are not crimes. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 9 09:20:14 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 8 20:39:16 2015. You have a light understanding of the Laws of Land Warfare but then so does most of the world.Particularly that you believe that only state actors can be war criminals. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 9 09:22:19 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 8 22:42:39 2015. Generally true, but Obama's (and Bush's) critics believe there is (or was) intent. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Oct 9 14:31:35 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 8 20:39:16 2015. "unless you're fighting a war on behalf of a state or a quasi-state entity."Fighting for an "Islamic State" for instance, or a "Caliphate" should be defined as such however. Just because a few colored people(as the ACLU likes to call them) doesn't believe they are states doesn't make it so. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Oct 9 14:34:47 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 9 09:22:19 2015. Actually, the recent trend has been away from any type of intent for a lot of things. The Democratic federal government likes strict liability crimes with doesn't offer an intent, or as italianstallion didn't know, mens rea.And as you said, like during Dubya, we have a precedent where we invent intent even if there is none. This can be easily proved if the doctors were in fact White, or even Indian, and especially if there was a Jew in the bunch. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 9 14:34:49 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Oct 9 14:31:35 2015. You don't need to be acting for a state to be capable of a war crime. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Oct 9 14:37:41 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by SLRT on Fri Oct 9 14:34:49 2015. I saw you say that earlier, and I don't disagree and will take your word for it. But I'd really like to point out all of the people that get a pass for being "lone wolves" or non-state actors are state actors.Just because we recognize a so-called "Palestine" and not a Kurdistan, or a Kosovo and not a Western Sahara Republic, etc... We have tons of European rapist trash in Syria fighting for what they believe to be a state, even if we aren't putting an embassy there. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Oct 13 11:17:19 2015, in response to Re: Obama has another close call with war crimes charges, could this be the one?, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Oct 9 14:37:41 2015. That's also true. I was referring to a legal point. |
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