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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:31:35 2015, in response to Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:28:07 2015. Follow-up: Obama now offering high-tech reactors to Iran in response. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 1 11:32:45 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:31:35 2015. Wasn't that offer made a few days ago as well? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:41:32 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 1 11:32:45 2015. it was a few days ago. I was making a joke about this elsewhere without realizing how fast it would come true. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 1 14:34:15 2015, in response to Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:28:07 2015. I'm surprised Iran is even bothering to state that it will not allow inspections. They could have gone the usual route and agree to inspections, only to bar the inspectors from entering at the time of the inspections. That is the usual MO of tyrants. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 14:46:16 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 1 14:34:15 2015. I seem to remember that one of their complaints was that the proposed agreement was written in such a way that the sanctions didn't get lifted until the inspections happened. Maybe Obama and the Europeans aren't such patsies after all. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 15:13:41 2015, in response to Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:28:07 2015. The so-called deadline was an arbitrary date that can be extended by mutual consent. You have obviously never been in a negotiation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 17:23:38 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 1 14:34:15 2015. It's to demonstrate how weak they think the US president is. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:50:24 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 15:13:41 2015. Unless you're Greece. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:51:29 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:31:35 2015. Yep ... the kind that can't breed Plutonium on the side. Or would you really prefer that they end up with Plutonium? |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 1 19:55:49 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 1 11:31:35 2015. They already have designs for "high tech" reactors. At least as high tech as they need to produce plutonium, which is not a particularly demanding requirement. You can't dictate physics through diplomacy, and you and Olog are unwilling to support all that is required to defeat them militarily.So if you're unwilling to do what has to be done to fight Iran then what are we supposed to do? You leave them to develop indigenous reactor designs and they will be producing weapons grade plutonium, probably before they complete their highly enriched uranium bombs. Or you call their bluff and give them western Gen III+ reactors which are proliferation resistant and incapable of producing weapons grade plutonium. The latter case is of course the more effective route to non-proliferation. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 1 21:27:10 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 1 14:34:15 2015. How do you prevent a satellite in orbit from seeing if your reactor is producing power or not? The thermal bloom from a gigawatt sized plant is going to be very noticeable, even through thick clouds. Using a modern reactor, such as the Russian VVER they've built at Bushehr, to produce plutonium is going to require installing a new fuel load, running the reactor for a few weeks, then shutting the reactor down, months before it ordinarily would require refueling. No inspections required. If the plant goes cold 50 some-odd days after it was started back up, they're up to something and we should be allowed to bomb the crap out of the plant.Or we could let them build the Arak reactor, which is purpose-built to produce plutonium while on-line, much like the US B-reactor at Hanford and the Russian RBMK of Chernobyl fame. Either way, we're not going to take military action against Iran, the conservatives in this country would never allow it. So it's not a matter of Iran getting more nuclear reactors, it's a matter of what reactors they'll get. At this point all we can do is call their bluff and insist they build reactors we can easily monitor without having to step foot on the plant floor rather than their own plutonium producer design. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 21:30:00 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 1 21:27:10 2015. lol!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 21:35:58 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 21:30:00 2015. 
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 1 21:40:30 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 21:30:00 2015. One WillD knows of what he speaks. He apparently is intellectually gifted, not to the level of Jayman mind you, who is a genius, or of the Nilet or Terrapin Station both of who or whom have never been defeated, but gifted nonetheless. I suggest you leave this thread before its too late. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 1 21:57:16 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 21:30:00 2015. I implore beseech plead beg call it what you will to get out of this thread while the gettings good. You have no business none engaging the magical and mysterious WillD in threads about gas centrifuges and isotopes and enrichment and other stuff like that. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 1 22:00:18 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 1 21:57:16 2015. I implore beseech beg you to get out of this thread while the gettings good. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 03:09:52 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 21:30:00 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:58:59 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 1 21:40:30 2015. He has no business engaging WillD in other posts either. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 2 13:58:57 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 1 21:40:30 2015. Good post although I'd like to remind you that it's The Jayman.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 2 14:00:38 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 2 09:58:59 2015. I can and will debate Will D.I can and will insist on a #pizzasummit when you return from Italy. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 2 21:18:32 2015, in response to Re: Good news: Iran nuclear deadline extended, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 2 03:09:52 2015. Then what's your solution to Iran's nuclear ambitions? How do you propose to keep them from breeding plutonium? |
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