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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 03:53:51 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:47:18 2015.

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Link or it didn't happen.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jun 1 03:55:33 2015, in response to BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 06:20:58 2015.

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IAWTP

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:55:55 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 03:53:51 2015.

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It happened.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 03:58:03 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:45:16 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Failer!

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 03:58:31 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:06 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You got owned.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:02:20 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jun 1 03:55:33 2015.

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I had to bait him for the last daub, but that he actually completed a racist bingo card proves he's an absolute failure as a human.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:02:57 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:55:55 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No links?

Guess it didn't happen. Another Bill Brooklyn lie.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:03:16 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:25 2015.

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Pusher!

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:03:17 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:25 2015.

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Camper!

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:03:18 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:40 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Placer!

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 05:34:46 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 03:58:31 2015.

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How so?

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 05:37:14 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:02:20 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
By asking me about Clarence Thomas and Bill Cosby is "baiting" me? LOLOL!!! A racist bingo card???? LOLOLOL!!!!! Oh boy, you can't make this shit up!!

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 05:40:13 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 04:02:57 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Did you get it through your hollow noggin that I'm NOT going to provide you any links as I know it irks you, even if you won't admit to it?

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 06:13:48 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 05:34:46 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Don't worry your little head about it. The grown-ups can get this.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 06:16:31 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 05:37:14 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
By asking me about Clarence Thomas and Bill Cosby is "baiting" me?

Needed that last daub.

A racist bingo card?

Yep.

White supremacists such as yourself typically make the same set of bullshit claims over and over, so decent people simply arranged those claims into a bingo card.

That you have made enough of the standard bullshit racist claims to call bingo has proven absolutely that you are a white supremacist.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 06:19:20 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 05:40:13 2015.

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... as I know it irks you...

LOL! And now you're claiming you know my own mind better than I do.

Actually, I find your refusal to provide links quite convenient— when I ask you to prove your bullshit claim and you indignantly refuse, it proves you know you're lying. All I need to do is post a few words noting that fact and I've owned you by default.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jun 1 13:50:53 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 06:16:31 2015.

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ooooooooooooooooooooh

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 17:15:23 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 06:16:31 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And yet you've failed to point out where I think or said that I'm a W.S..

You have to realize, son, that just because one doesn't shed a tear over a criminal buying the farm because they want to do the police harm, no matter what race he is, does not make one a "racist". That mentality was all good and well in the quad, but once out of college and in the real world, you can see that this type of mentality is a crutch. A handicap if you will..

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 17:19:57 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 1 06:19:20 2015.

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Whatever you say, Hermie.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jun 2 17:38:53 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 17:19:57 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Are you going to fight him? I have been praying for the fight to come off ever since the one between SelkirkTMO and Terrapin Station was called off at the last minute a couple three years ago for reasons that have never been adequately explained to my satisfaction. I was looking forward to that bout especially since Nancy and Tamar were going to work the respective corners. I wanted to see them wield the stool, water bottle, spit bucket, gauze, Q-Tip, balming agent, and that cold piece of steel to hold down the swelling. It is my sincere hope that you and Nilet will fight and settle this once and for all. I'll bang in sick if need be and I'll bring my ice machine and sell shaved ice treats ringside - I have the grape, lemon, and raspberry flavors.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 19:55:55 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jun 2 17:38:53 2015.

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I like lemon the best!

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 20:47:40 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 17:19:57 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Oh I get it now— "Hermie" is the name of the straw man you beat up before declaring victory.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 20:50:16 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jun 2 17:38:53 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Are you going to fight him?

I tried. He chickened out.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 21:17:03 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 17:15:23 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And yet you've failed to point out where I think or said that I'm a W.S..

I have done so repeatedly. By posting links to where you explicitly stated your white supremacist beliefs, such as this one, this one, this one, and this one. (Also this one.)

Obviously, you have never said the exact phrase "I am a white supremacist," but that doesn't matter. Everyone knows you are, and indignantly whining: "I'm not a white supremacist, I just think white culture is superior! I'm not a racist, I just think all black people are lazy criminals who should be killed!" is fooling precisely no one.

You have to realize, son, that just because one doesn't shed a tear over a criminal buying the farm because they want to do the police harm, no matter what race he is, does not make one a "racist".

Case in point— you believe all black people are criminals, therefore you are a racist. You can't even deny being a white supremacist without proving that you are one!

By the way, that line of yours basically declared: "I'm not a racist! I just want all black people killed for reasons I swear are unrelated to race!" and "Wanting all black people killed isn't racist as long as I want at least one white person dead too!" and basically accused all black people of being "thugs," so that's three daubs with one sentence.

Oh, and declaring that you can't be a white supremacist unless you explicitly say you are a white supremacist in those exact words is a fourth daub.

I should let you know that if you complete a second racist bingo card then I'm legally entitled to punch you in the mouth.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 21:49:50 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 21:17:03 2015.

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IAWTP

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:16:33 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 21:49:50 2015.

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See, I'd love to turn his logic around on him but unfortunately he's (a) too dim to understand it anyway and (b) too privileged to have any common reference frame. The whole point of white privilege is that it's invisible; "how would you like it if all of society declared you subhuman simply because of some irrelevant physical trait, to the point that anyone could kill you and get away with it" doesn't mean anything to a white person unless they get a detailed explanation that Bill simply isn't smart enough to comprehend.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:22:10 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 20:47:40 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nope! Hermie's YOU!

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:26:08 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 20:50:16 2015.

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YYYYYAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 22:27:53 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:16:33 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
its quite VISABLE to me
IAWTP

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:30:20 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:16:33 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I hope you realize that myself and others reading these posts see nothing but your journey into insanity.

No one IN THIS AGE "gets away with" killing anyone.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:30:48 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 22:27:53 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Stepin Fetchit! Stop being his lapdog.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:31:07 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:22:10 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nope. Try again.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 22:31:27 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:30:20 2015.

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unless you are a white officer of the law killing a innocent black person
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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:33:25 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:26:08 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
CLUCK CLUUUUUUUUCK!

Still proud of your cowardice?

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:35:21 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 21:17:03 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The ONLY post that had nothing to do with CRIMINALS getting their comeuppance is the first one. I guess no one can point out the socioeconomic and cultural problems that exist in black culture without being labeled a "racist" by guilt-ridden whites.

My statement proved that I am NOT a W.S. (although you calling me one has about the same effect as the boy who cried wolf). God, reading comprehention man!!!

No, one doesn't have to SAY they're not in order to be one, I agree with you on that. BUT, I don't.

Yaaawn!!

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:35:56 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:30:20 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I hope you realize that myself and others reading these posts see nothing but your journey into insanity.

Biting my lines again!

No one IN THIS AGE "gets away with" killing anyone.

Tamir Rice. Michael Brown. Eric Garner. Trayvon Martin. All those many black men (and kids) murdered by white men who got away with it— first, you were claiming those killings were justified on the grounds that all black people are violent criminals and now you're claiming they never happened.

You are one confused little kid.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:37:59 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 22:31:27 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Bill Brooklyn believes that literally all black people are violent criminals, so killing black people is automatically justified.

By the way, Bill has decided that people are allowed to call dibs on types of claims, accusations, and insults. I've already taken most of them, but he's started using racial slurs. I can't call dibs on those since I don't have N-word privileges, but you might want to call dibs— that way, every time he spews a racial slur, you can tell him he's "biting your lines."

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:38:55 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 22:27:53 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Well, yeah. White privilege is invisible if you have it, but self-evident if you don't.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:39:18 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:30:48 2015.

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Racist.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:41:01 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:39:18 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Wrong! How?

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:41:26 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:35:21 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Unfortunately, a reasonable debate requires all participants to be rational and willing to both accept the facts and argue in good faith.

You have repeatedly proven that you are either too irrational, too immature, or too stupid to meet those criteria.

As such, any attempt to engage you in reasonable debate will be futile until you can prove you can act like a grown-up.

In order to prove you have attained the necessary maturity, reason, education, and intelligence, please answer the following questions which you have been asked before but are constantly dodging.

1. Name one black person killed by a white person who you think didn't deserve it.
    (a) Did Oscar Grant deserve to die?
    (b) Did Walter Scott deserve to die?

2. Do you support reparations for segregation? If not, why not?

3. Why do even rich black people get harassed by store security when shopping?

4. Why are employers more willing to hire a white felon than a black man with no criminal record?

5. Why are cops more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than a white man currently committing a felony?

6. Why are black people so much poorer despite working just as hard?

7. Who are these mythical "guilt-ridden whites" you keep mentioning?

8. Define "systemic racism."

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:42:12 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:38:55 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Oh, poppycock! You Lefty's come up with the darndest nicknames and terms to try to justify the Great Social Experiment's dismal failure!

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:43:07 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jun 2 22:31:27 2015.

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An INNOCENT one, yes. But a criminal, engaging in a criminal act(s) and trying to harm or resist the officer, no.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:44:40 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:41:01 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Prove you're smart enough to comprehend the answer and I'll tell you.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:44:49 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:37:59 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You believe your own press!

There's NO such thing as "N-word privilege" JUST like there's NO such thing as "white privilege".

Nigga is NOT a racial slur, no matter WHO says it. EVERYONE'S equal, remember????????

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:47:45 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:35:56 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Pointint a realistic facsimile of a gun at people. CRIMINAL. CRIMINAL. Killed by a nutjob who is also a person of "color" (Whatever the Hell THAT means). Treyvon was the only one murdered. The rest just fucked with the bull and got the horns.

I'm old enough to be the father that would run out on you once I realized how you were.

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Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:48:48 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:33:25 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Go ahead, break out the word twisting. Cue the "My rates are $75 an hour" bullshit.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:49:24 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:42:12 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Quiet, troll. The adults are talking.

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:49:25 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:41:26 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
PW3NED YET AGAIN!!!

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Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots)

Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 2 22:50:44 2015, in response to Re: BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 2 22:43:07 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
An INNOCENT one, yes.

Such as...?

You have explicitly stated that you think all black people are criminals.

There's a reason this is the first entry on the LoQBBCA:

1. Name one black person killed by a white person who you think didn't deserve it.
    (a) Did Oscar Grant deserve to die?
    (b) Did Walter Scott deserve to die?

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