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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 09:33:30 2015 Reuters via HuffpostProsecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately Reuters | By Tim Hepher and Jean-Francois Rosnoblet Posted: 03/26/2015 8:08 am EDT Updated: 25 minutes ago GERMANWINGS Share 160 Tweet 92 Comment 0 Share on Google+ By Tim Hepher and Jean-Francois Rosnoblet PARIS/SEYNE-LES-ALPES, March 26 (Reuters) - The co-pilot of the Germanwings airliner that crashed in the French Alps killing all 150 people aboard appears to have brought the A320 Airbus down deliberately, the Marseille prosecutor said on Thursday. German Andreas Lubitz, 28, left in sole control of the Airbus A320 after the captain left the cockpit, refused to re-open the door and operated a control that sent the plane into its final, fatal descent, the prosecutor told a news conference. The French prosecutor said Lubitz was not known as a terrorist and there were no grounds to consider the crash as a terrorist incident. Recordings suggested passengers' screams began just before the final impact, he said. Earlier, a German state prosecutor had said that just one of the two pilots of the Germanwings airliner was in the cockpit at the time it went down. The statements came after the New York Times reported that "black box" recordings showed one of the pilots had left the cockpit and could not get back in before the plane crashed. "One was in the cockpit and the other wasn't," Christoph Kumpa at the prosecutors' office in Duesseldorf told Reuters by telephone, adding that the information came from investigators in France. Investigators were still studying voice recordings from one of the "black boxes" on Thursday while the search continued for a second in the ravine where the plane crashed, 100 km (65 miles) from Nice. The recordings did not make clear why the pilot left the cockpit or why he could not regain entry as the plane steadily descended toward a mountain range in a remote area of the French Alps on Tuesday. "The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer," an investigator described only as a senior French military official told the New York Times, citing the recordings. "And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer." "You can hear he is trying to smash the door down," the investigator added. "VERY SMOOTH, VERY COOL" The cockpit audio had showed "very smooth, very cool" conversation between the pilots in the early part of the flight. "We don't know yet the reason why one of the guys went out," the official said. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door." A spokesman for Germanwings' owner Lufthansa said: "We have no information from the authorities that confirms this report and we are seeking more information. We will not take part in speculation on the causes of the crash." It confirmed that the main pilot had over 6,000 hours of flying time, while the more junior co-pilot had just 630 hours and had been with Germanwings since September 2013. In France, the interior and defense ministries said they had no information on the newspaper report. Lufthansa announced it would hold a briefing for later in the day. France's BEA air investigation bureau was not available for comment. On Wednesday, it said it was too early to draw meaningful conclusions on why the plane went down. "We have not yet been able to study and to establish an exact timing for all the sounds and words heard on this file," BEA director Remi Jouty told a news conference. Jouty expected the first basic analysis in days but warned that the read-out could be subject to errors and that more work would be needed for a full interpretation. POST-9/11 RULES The BEA said the plane started descending a minute after reaching cruising height and lost altitude for over nine minutes. The pilot's last words to the ground confirmed the next navigational waypoint, ending with a call-sign and "thank you." Pilots may temporarily leave the cockpit at certain times and in certain circumstances, such while the aircraft is cruising, according to German aviation law. Lufthansa said that its cockpit doors can be opened from the outside with a code, in line with regulations introduced after the Sept. 11 attacks. However, the code system can be blocked from inside the cockpit, according to an Airbus promotional video posted online and confirmed by the planemaker. The BEA on Wednesday already ruled out a mid-air explosion and said the scenario did not look like a depressurisation. It also noted the airliner had flown in a straight line directly into the mountain, but had no word on whether that seemed to be at the hand of a pilot or auto-pilot. Germanwings said 72 Germans were killed in the first major air passenger disaster on French soil since the 2000 Concorde accident just outside Paris. Madrid revised down on Thursday the number of Spanish victims to 50 from 51 previously. As well as Germans and Spaniards, victims included three Americans, a Moroccan and citizens of Britain, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Colombia, Denmark, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Iran and the Netherlands, officials said. However, DNA checks to identify them could take weeks, the French government said. The families of victims were being flown to Marseille on Thursday before being taken up to the zone close to the crash site. Chapels had been prepared for them with a view of the mountain where their loved ones died. (Additional reporting by bureaus in Paris, Berlin, Frankfurt and Madrid; Writing by Mark John; Editing by Anna Willard, David Stamp and Giles Elgood) |
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Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:58:53 2015, in response to Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 09:33:30 2015. Some geniuses always want to change an entire industry procedure based on one incident.Perhaps they should figure out a better way for a locked-out pilot to get back into the cabin. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 14:07:53 2015, in response to Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 13:58:53 2015. Perhaps they should figure out a better way for a locked-out pilot to get back into the cabin.There is one. Selkirk posted it. You want a locked out pilot to be able to get back into the cabin, but not if a hijacker is holding a knife to his throat. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 14:26:44 2015, in response to Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 09:33:30 2015. He was an "avid runner". That's a bad sign.Be interesting if he did this for a liberal "cause". |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Mar 26 14:57:34 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 14:07:53 2015. In Europe the media showed the Airbus training video on how to get back in and procedures for if crew were incapacitated. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 15:00:21 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 14:26:44 2015. Be interesting if he did this for a liberal "cause"."Please God, make this be a liberal/ your pal, Fred |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 15:05:28 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 15:00:21 2015. "Please G-d make it NOT be a railfan who wanted to see a mountain railroad close up." |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 15:07:01 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Mar 26 14:57:34 2015. Yes, but if you always had two people in the cockpit, even if only one knew how to fly, it would make pilot suicide considerably more difficult. I suspect that will be a required procedure pretty soon. Two suspected pilot suicides in 13 months is a lot. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 26 15:12:32 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 14:26:44 2015. You are sooooo emotionally invested in blaming "liberals" for everything. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 15:14:10 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 15:07:01 2015. Are pilots routinely checked for weapons in any way when they arrive at the airport or before they board their planes? |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 15:17:53 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 15:14:10 2015. My understanding is that depends on the airport. Many or even most airports don't treat pilots any differently from anyone else. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 15:21:05 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 26 15:05:28 2015. Hahaha!!your pal, Fred |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 15:53:44 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Mar 26 14:57:34 2015. Yes but that doesn't seem to apply if the person in the cockpit sets the switch to lock. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 16:10:02 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 26 15:12:32 2015. You are sooooo emotionally invested in blaming "liberals" for everything.So you think he was gay? Is that why you're attacking? As a member of the List of Aviators, you should provide more insightful input and not make an LGBTQQI issue out of this. My first reply attacked the co-pilot for doing too much cardio. So there! |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 16:10:37 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 15:00:21 2015. It's always a game of gotcha.That's how it works. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 16:18:58 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 15:07:01 2015. linkAnyone can create an FB page. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 17:06:48 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 15:00:21 2015. Hey, the copilot is a young German with blond hair. Guaranteed to be a green liberal antisemite. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 17:20:21 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 17:06:48 2015. You are the Sultan of Snark.His religion is "not immediately known". |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 26 17:29:01 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 16:10:02 2015. Stop twisting things. YOU were the one bringing "liberals" into it. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 17:33:04 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 15:07:01 2015. I believe you are correct and this will become a requirement of more aviation authorities. I did see that one European airline (Easyjet, perhaps, I don't recall) has instituted the requirement effective immediately.Even that is not a complete fail-safe. Some countries (including Canada) only require two pilots on board for long-haul flights. One pilot flies the plane while the other sleeps in the cockpit (as opposed to the three-man procedure where the sleeper takes a bed in the cabin and the two awake pilots remain in the cockpit). A sleeping co-pilot is probably just as effective at preventing an intentional crash as one who has been locked outside the cockpit -- perhaps even less effective since there will be nobody banging on the door to get back in. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 17:34:43 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 17:06:48 2015. We'll ask Olog :)your pal, Fred |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 26 18:23:00 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 15:07:01 2015. The FAA already requires that within the US. A FA will generally sit in for whoever goes to the bathroom. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 26 18:27:02 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 17:33:04 2015. Agreed, nothing is fail-safe.But if a simple inexpensive procedure can reduce the incidence of pilot suicide from 3 per decade to 1, it's worth it. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 19:30:49 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 17:33:04 2015. One pilot sleeps in the cockpit? Who told you that? |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 26 19:39:08 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 19:30:49 2015. Ryan Air? Can't have them taking up the porta potty back there yaknow. :) |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 19:50:26 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 19:30:49 2015. Read and learn my friend, read and learn.Toronto Star Story -- excerpt -- "In its Canadian Aviation Regulations, Transport Canada permits pilots to take mid-flight naps, or “controlled rest” in official parlance. But they cannot be longer than 40 minutes in order to minimize sleep inertia caused by longer rests." and more here... CBC Story -- excerpt "...the TSB report says the first officer, who had just woken up from a nap in the cockpit, initially mistook the planet Venus for a U.S. air force C-17 military plane in the vicinity, and later decreased altitude abruptly after being "confused" and believing they were on an "imminent collision course" with another aircraft." |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 26 20:09:02 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 19:50:26 2015. Wow, I didn't realize they were still doing that. Thanks. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 26 20:09:13 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 17:33:04 2015. Air Canada, EasyJet, and Norwegian Air Shuttle have all announced policy changes already. |
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Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately) |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 26 20:48:44 2015, in response to Re: Locking the Barn Door After... (Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately), posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 26 19:50:26 2015. "controlled rest". your pal, Fred |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 20:57:49 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 26 17:29:01 2015. Twisting?I would not be surprised if he had left-leaning attitudes. But then again, he could have done this in protest of the Islamization of Europe. And maybe his partner broke up with him. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 31 15:05:35 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 26 17:20:21 2015. "Sultan of Snark"Not bad. |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 31 15:06:49 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 31 15:05:35 2015. IAWTPyour pal, Fred |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 31 16:37:03 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 31 15:05:35 2015. Wasn't that a Dire Straits tune? :) |
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Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 1 08:21:36 2015, in response to Re: Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Appears To Have Crashed Plane Deliberately, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 31 16:37:03 2015. No :) |
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